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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #18 on: Friday 12 February 16 03:44 GMT (UK) »
Judith,
Sorry,should have been specific,certificate is for Isabella.
George lived in Flemington,NSW.
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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #19 on: Friday 12 February 16 03:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the info.

Does this death cert mention the 'marriage' to Alfred FORESHEW?

Judith

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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #20 on: Friday 12 February 16 04:20 GMT (UK) »
Judith,
Informant on certificate is "Authorised Agent".
1st marriage Unknown date,place and person.
2nd marriage Alfred Foreshew,no place or date,only names of three children known.
3rd marriage Arthur Hulbert 1903,no issue.
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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #21 on: Friday 12 February 16 05:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again.  Do you have a birthdate (other than just the year) for her first child with Alfred?  As Alfred was in Victoria the birthdate should help with a rough estimate of conception date by which time Isabella would have to have been in Victoria - presumably!!

Just another co-incidence, which I'm sure you would have seen - Alfred and Isabella's first daughter's birth index entry in Victoria shows her as Maude FORESHEW, b 1882, and the Australian marriage index (1898) has her name as Isabel Maude FORESHAW (corrected on Ancestry to FORESHEW).  A child is born in Witney UK, 1886, to Thomas W and Rachel B FORESHEW, also named Isabel Maude FORESHEW.  Thomas, the Witney child's father was born in Black Bourton, Oxfordshire as, apparently, was Alfred so I assume they are related.  Interesting that the names are exactly the same.  (Sorry, a bit side-tracked there!)

Another aside - 3 on-line trees have a supposed daughter, Isabella SUTTON, b Jan qr 1875, reg Gateshead, Co Durham.  (The tree says reg Durham, Tyne and Wear but FreeBMD has the Gateshead registration)  There is a possible death registered for a child of the same name aged 0 in Carlisle, Sep qr 1875 (no other possible death for that name up to 1881).  As there is no child other than son John with George SUTTON in 1881, and there is no actual evidence for the birth of a daughter, other than the name Isabella, and there is an Isabella SUTTON on the 1881 census living in Gateshead and born there in 1875 I think it's a red herring!

Interesting also that Isabella's first husband and child seem to be unknown (or not acknowledged) to whoever gave the information for the death cert to the agent.

Judith
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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #22 on: Friday 12 February 16 05:52 GMT (UK) »
Judith,
Third point first.Isabella is a mistake,familysearch has her birth 19 Dec 1874,baptism 13 Jan 1875 in Gateshead,daughter of William and Elizabeth.
My mother's maternal line is Sutton in Carlisle,so a matching death would not be unusual.
Appears both George and Isabella wanted to forget their marriage.
Will check your other points.
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« Reply #23 on: Friday 12 February 16 05:59 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that Isabella SUTTON is definitely alive 1881 with parents William and Elizabeth. Personally I don't understand why people put stuff on their trees without checking a bit further.

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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #24 on: Friday 12 February 16 06:08 GMT (UK) »
Judith,
Another tree on A*******y has dob for Maude as 23 Feb 1882.
Witney birth is just coincidence though i don't see any ancestors with those names.
Like you,i would rather spend a half hour proving they are not related than include them, which can lead to false information down the track.
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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 February 16 12:43 GMT (UK) »
It looks likely that the Isabel Maude FORESHEW registered Witney UK, 1886, to Thomas W and Rachel B FORESHEW, is the niece of Alfred FORESHEW.

1861 census shows:

At Rock Farm, Black Bourton, Oxfordshire
William Foreshew   43, farmer, b Maisey Hampton, Gloucester
Sarah Ann Foreshew   40,
Thomas William Foreshew   12, b Black Bourton Oxfordshire
Frederick Foreshew   10,  b Black Bourton Oxfordshire
Alfred Foreshew   3,  b Black Bourton Oxfordshire
George Foreshew   1,  b Black Bourton Oxfordshire
Clara Jane Hulbert   19, visitor, b Edge hill, Lancashire
and servants
Ann Ashford Hall   22
Ann Hewer   17

Judith

There's a few other refs for this lot but, as you say they are on the periphery of you wife's family I won't post anymore.  Happy to add them if you think they may be useful to you.




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Re: HOPWOOD/SUTTON Immigration
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 18 February 16 06:27 GMT (UK) »
Ros,
Could you check probate packet for George Preston Sutton,died 26 Jul 1930,probate granted 2 Oct 1930,number  53041.
Many thanks,
Eric

Found it Eric  :)  Under SUSSON  ???
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\190780
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