Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 2

[BushInn1746]

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Hi

Thanks Goughy.

Further note to my last post above - according to the 1793 birth record Sarah Russel's father, was William Russel of Selby "Sailer", so there was apparently a Sailor occupation on the Russel side of George Hood's 1815 marriage.

Found this in the British Newpaper Archive online 2 April 1812:-

The brig Russel of Selby, Clerk, master, from London to Shields, has been driven on the shore at Beadnell. Fifteen colliers from London to Shields have been also driven upon the Northumberland coast.

Clerk was the Master, but the name of the vessel Russel of Selby is interesting.

The sailing connection stands out again and although we have no definite link from George Hood of Selby, to John Hood of Selby, Mariner (and Scarborough apparently), John Hood the Mariner remains a strong possibility for George Hood's father.

In the 1770s and 1780s John Hood and "J Hood", later recorded as name of vessel and "Hood", was Master of many named vessels from Hull, to Waterford, to Belfast (including to and from Liverpool on the Irish trips), to Sunderland, to Inverness and to Newcastle and London.

When the Brig or Vessel called the 'MARY of Inverness' at Newcastle Quay was to be auctioned on Tuesday 19th November 1782, John Hood, Master and Captain, was one of the persons to be contacted for particulars, along with Thomas Snaith at the Office of William Chapman, in the Folly, Newcastle, with Inventories seen as above and also at Mr Thomas Ware's, North Shields.

Kind regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

Thanks Goughy

Sarah Russel first Dau'r
of William Russel of Selby Sailer, son of John Russel of Selby afores'd Lab'r by Martha his wife
& Mary Dau'r of Edward Barton of Selby Wheel Wright by Sarah his wife. Dau'r of William Silverwood of Wistow, Farmer.

Perhaps 'Mr Jobsworth' was absent when recording vital events about George Hood and thought, George Hood has lived here a few years at Selby (as evidenced by the Selby Land Tax record of 1812), or I have missed a clue.

On 16th May 1815:-

"On which Day appeared personally George Hood of Selby in the Peculiar and Spiritual Jurisdiction of Selby aforesaid' Cooper and, being sworn" ...

... "intends to marry Sarah Russel of the same Place" ...

But I was reading something the other day about Selby and the Ecclesiastical area of Selby encompassed other Churches (Parishes) surrounding Selby.

So, after all this posting and recently reading about the Selby area which came under Selby Abbey and the reference 16 May 1815 to Selby in the Peculiar and Spritual Jurisdiction of Selby ... (above), I am beginning to wonder, if the phrase "George Hood of Selby" does not always mean Selby township, but the wider jurisdictional area which ecclesiastically came under the authority (call it what you may) of Selby Abbey?

Kind regards, Mark

[BushInn1746]

Following my last message above:-

I had something similar with George Hood, my 2 X Gt. Grandfather, I got his 1870 Northampton District Marriage Certificate and it said his residence was in the "Parish of Bowdon Cheshire".

Searched the whole 1871 Census Reel for Bowdon Parish, at Cheshire Record Office and nothing for George Hood, so I enquired with the Archivist saying the start of the Census reel says "Bowdon Parish", but my 1870 Marriage Certificate says his residence was in the "Parish of Bowdon Cheshire", are they the same place?

The Cheshire CRO Archivist came back with a map of the "Parish of Bowdon" and I see that I noted down Nine Places within the "Parish of Bowdon" and asked him for a comprehensive Directory and fortunately they had one in Surname Order and was able to locate Hood George under Hale.

Found George Hood was living at Hale. Township of ... Ecclesiastical District of Bowdon in the 1871 Census reel covering Hale.

So the "Parish of Bowdon" and "Bowdon Parish" were not the same animal.

The "Parish of Bowdon" (residence on Marriage Certificate), includes Bowdon itself and eight other places:-

Bowdon
Altrincham Ch
Timperley
Hale (Ringway Ch)
Ashley
Agden Pt [Lymm noted]
Bollington [Lymm noted]
Baguley [Sale noted]
Dunham Massey

Whilst it was true George Hood (my 2 X Gt. Grandfather) was resident in the "Parish of Bowdon" he actually lived at Hale township, but not Bowdon itself.

I am now beginning to wonder, if something similar is happening with my 4 X Gt. Grandfather also called George Hood and that the phrase "George Hood of Selby" does not always mean Selby township in his early life, but possibly one of the surrounding places, in an old pre 1837 ecclesiastical district of Selby Abbey Church.

Kind regards Mark

[BushInn1746]

After the dissolution, it appears Selby Abbey had jurisdiction over the:-

Peculiar of Selby
Peculiar of Snaith

Regarding the Selby peculiar jurisdiction, a typed document online which refers to 1812 and after, apparently at the Borthwick Institute says ... the peculiar court came to exercise jurisdiction over:-
Selby
Brayton
Barlow
Burn
Gateforth
Hambleton
Thorpe Willoughby

I don't yet know when the Selby peculiar jurisdiction separated from the Snaith peculiar jurisdiction, but the Snaith peculiar listed Snaith, plus another 15 places.

If I can bribe my wife into visiting York, we can have a look at a few Registers and see what we find.

Mark

[Goughy]

Have you got a copy of George and Sarah's Parish Marriage register???  It says both were "of this Parish" i.e. Selby Parish. 

Not sure if you use GENUKI - gives a good oversight of towns and parishes and other info http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/#Towns

If you do manage a trip to the Borthwick, the self-service micro-fiche room is open until 10 00 pm! Parking is quite expensive during the day up to 6 00 pm but there are good bus services.

Goughy

[BushInn1746]

Have you got a copy of George and Sarah's Parish Marriage register???  It says both were "of this Parish" i.e. Selby Parish.

Hello Goughy

Yes and it also says the same in the newspaper of 1815 "On Wednesday last, at Selby. Mr George Hood, cooper, to Miss Russel, both of that place."

The Selby Land Tax records of 1812 confirm George Hood, but nothing in 1810 for any Hood at Selby, although Hood, could be an undertenant and not shown.

But I also have to consider, that before 1812 George Hood could possibly have migrated into Selby from outside, or elsewhere and also his burial is not listed in the Selby Burial Register, or Quakers.

Thanks, Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi

What you have just posted Mark is the simple state of play with George Hood, M 1815 Sarah Russel- D 1845 burial place unknown also wife Sarah burial place unknown.

George's vocation and craftsmanship on his bond allegation 1815 is he himself states a Cooper (If he was just businessman who just owned/bought into a barrel making business - he would have used a word to state that)

Where did the money/wealth come from for his business activities post 1812 - (M 1815)
.............................

Human urine was collected in London, transported in barrels by coaster ships to Yorkshire for the use in the manufacture of locking of red dyes for the making of uniforms for the foot solders.

Government contracts with the army - Barrels-Shipping ?

(Watch actor Brian Blessed's 'Who do you think you are' FindMyPast TV Family history.)

 https://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/taking-the-piss/


If George was baptised with other siblings in one session ? his age could be older than his baptism year ie :- 1795 (Say up to 10 years before)

[BushInn1746]

Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, yes, also used in leather process too.

I have started looking at the "Apprentice Books. Country Registers" and had already found apprentice Geo Hood of Morpeth in 1796 (not my George Hood, as I have the George Hood of Morpeth death notice in 1848) at folio number 46, from the scanned microfilm TNA downloads from TNA in the IR 1 series.

A TNA link to 'find my past' "Education and Work" indicates there are several George Hood, 'Britain, Country Apprentices' events in 1792 and 1793 and 1807.

Question
I have tried to find the 1807 George Hood Apprentice in one of the scanned TNA downloads from IR 1. However, because the downloads are 400 pages or so each, I am wondering if the original Register folio/page numbers are on find my past please, for the 1792, 1793 and 1807 George Hood Apprentice listings/ images?

Thanks Mark

[Goughy]

Hi

Somewhere embedded in all the replies I think I indicated I had already checked all the Apprenticeships for George Hood and drew a blank.  However, here are the details for you

1792  George Hood is the Master Butcher (not the apprentice) Hawkhurst, Kent
1793  George Hood is the Master Currier Coleorton, Leics
1796 George Hood apprentice butcher Embleton, Northumberland
1807  George Hood Master Plumber (not apprentice) Derby

I think I suggested to possibly investigate at the Selby Church Chest Records as if he was apprenticed to a Poor Law Master, there would be no records in the national index because Poor Law Masters did not have to pay any duties (i.e. the Parish paid the Master)

Goughy