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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 March 16 15:53 BST (UK) »
Not sure it helps at the moment but Thomas in 1851..one of the damaged sheets:
HO107; Piece: 2220; Folio: 509; Page: 5 at 5 Stafford St Chorlton
Patrick Heron 57 mechanic b Kildare Ireland
Mary 55 b do
Thomas 30 mechanic b Manchester [engine fitter in 1881]
John 18 mechanic b do

So any marriage for Thomas is post 30 Mar 1851.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:00 BST (UK) »
Just to confuse things, there's a burial at Prestwich in 1856 of a 34-year old Thomas Heron from Manchester. He's been in Prestwich Asylum.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:08 BST (UK) »
I've just found a VERY confused public tree on Ancestry. Apparently, Thomas's father Patrick was born in 1840 and died in 1618. Maybe this Thomas was a TARDIS mechanic!
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:09 BST (UK) »
Quote from: andrewalston on Sunday 27 March 16 16:00 BST (UK)
Just to confuse things, there's a burial at Prestwich in 1856 of a 34-year old Thomas Heron from Manchester. He's been in Prestwich Asylum.

He was a patient in the asylum in 1851 age 29 Married bn Marple, Cheshire - operative in factory
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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: andrewalston on Sunday 27 March 16 16:08 BST (UK)
I've just found a VERY confused public tree on Ancestry. Apparently, Thomas's father Patrick was born in 1840 and died in 1618. Maybe this Thomas was a TARDIS mechanic!
;D ;D ;D

I found a [less confused] tree - eckhardt family tree - which gives Thomas' wife as Mary Taffe or Chapman but no date for marriage. States Thomas died 1888. Also only has 1851 & 1881 censuses. Gives Patrick's dates as 1794 - 1856.

Thanks for the find andrew & clarification rosie.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:21 BST (UK) »

Can anybody find the baptisms of any of the children ? I can only see CASSANDRA's 1 Mar 1863, born 17 Nov 1861  Manchester Cathedral. Thought one of the later ones may give an address for sighting them in 1871

claire
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:24 BST (UK) »
Good thinking. Then presumably they were not RC. I'm wondering if Thomas' job took him away.

There is an 1872 St Saviour Manchester baptism of a Liley Herring b 1871 parents Thomas & Mary of Chorlton  ???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSZB-QX8
though most likely entry on freebmd [no Lil*y] is Elizabeth Q4 1871
Scratched as baptism entry show this Thomas to be a groom of 40 Wilson St.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:41 BST (UK) »

Address for that baptism is 40 Wilson Street, fathers occ. a groom, Thomas was an engineer I think, definitely Liley Herring too.

claire
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
Census info is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Mystery of Different Mothers
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 27 March 16 16:42 BST (UK) »
Snap - you posted as I was typing, claire!!

Perhaps the other children were not baptised? Or baptised RC?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON
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