Author Topic: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?  (Read 1447 times)

Offline hurworth

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,336
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« on: Monday 28 March 16 06:18 BST (UK) »
I think they were probably all Covenantors but if anyone has good knowledge of Scottish history I'd be grateful if they could explain why these men had been apprehended.

http://www.rps.ac.uk/search.php?action=fc&fn=charlesi_trans&id=20552:&query=&type=trans&variants=&google=

Act of caution anent some of the name of Maxwell and others
The estates of parliament, presently convened by virtue of the last act of the last parliament held by his majesty and three estates in 1641, having heard and considered the report of the committee for processes of those cited to the parliament incarcerated and under caution to answer thereto anent the trial taken by that committee for the parties of John Maxwell of Holme, George Maxwell, brother to George Maxwell of Holme, John Maxwell, tutor of Carnsalloch, John Hairstains, Alexander Maxwell of Conheath, Alexander Maxwell of Castlemilk, James Gordon of Kirkmabreck, John Maxwell of Kirkconnel, James Maxwell of Brackenside, Robert Maxwell of Portrack, James Hairstains and Robert Maxwell of Carnsalloch concerning their carriage the time of the last invasion at Dumfries, the said estates, upon 25 July instant, granted liberty to the said John Maxwell of Holme, George Maxwell, James Gordon of Kirkmabreck and Robert Maxwell of Carnsalloch to go home, they and every one of them finding caution for their good behaviour in time coming, and that they shall appear before the parliament, convention of estates or their committees or secret council as they shall be cited thereto respectively for what shall be laid to their charges under the pains following, namely: the said John Maxwell under the pain of 10,000 merks Scots, the said George Maxwell under the pain of £10,000 Scots, the said James Gordon under the pain of 2,000 merks Scots and the said Robert Maxwell of Carnsalloch under the pain of 2,000 merks Scots. And also the said estates upon the day aforesaid confined the said John Maxwell, tutor of Carnsalloch, John Hairstains, Alexander Maxwell of Conheath, Alexander Maxwell of Castlemilk, John Maxwell of Kirkconnel, James Maxwell of Brackenside, Robert Maxwell of Portrack and James Hairstains to remain within Edinburgh and two miles about the same and not to go without that bounds, and the confinement to endure until the same be considered by the committee of estates, and ordained them and each one of them to find caution for that effect and for their and each one of their good behaviour in time coming. As also for their compearance before the parliament, convention of estates or their committees or secret council as they shall be cited for what shall be laid to their charges under the pains following, namely: the said John Maxwell, tutor of Carnsalloch, under the pain of 10,000 merks Scots, the said John Hairstains of Craigies under the pain of 10,000 merks Scots, the said Alexander Maxwell of Conheath under the pain of 10,000 merks Scots, the said Alexander Maxwell of Castlemilk under the pain of 10,000 merks Scots, the said John Maxwell of Kirkconnel under the pain of £10,000 Scots, the said James Maxwell of Brackenside under the pain of 5,000 merks Scots, the said Robert Maxwell of Portrack under the pain of 5,000 merks Scots and the said James Hairstains under the pain of 5,000 merks Scots. According thereto and for obedience of the which ordinance respectively above-written, compeared personally James Maxwell of Innerwick, one of his majesty's bed chamber, and became acted and obliged himself for the said John Maxwell of Holme, George Maxwell, John Maxwell, tutor of Carnsalloch, John Hairstains of Craigies, Alexander Maxwell of Conheath, John Maxwell of Kirkconnel, James Maxwell of Brackenside, Robert Maxwell of Portrack and Robert Maxwell of Carnsalloch, and each one of the said persons, to the effect respectively before ordained and under the pains respectively above-mentioned on every occasion, each one for their own parts in manner aforesaid. Likewise John Grierson of Chapell became acted and obliged as cautioner for the said James Gordon to the effect and under the pain above-written, and David MacBrair of Almagill [and Newark] became acted and obliged as cautioner for the said James Hairstains to the effect and under the pain above-specified, and Alexander Jardine of Applegarth became acted and obliged as cautioner for the said Alexander Maxwell of Castlemilk to the effect and under the pain above-rehearsed for his part, each one of the said cautioners under the pains and to the effect respectively above-mentioned on every occasion. Likewise all the said principal parties above-named became acted and obliged themselves and each one of them to the effect above-specified, and also to warrant and relieve their said cautioners for their becoming cautioners for them and of all damage and danger they shall happen to sustain and incur thereby.


Offline Forfarian

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,083
  • http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ruz/
    • View Profile
Re: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 March 16 09:00 BST (UK) »
You could try http://www.covenanter.org.uk/

Also, I am sure that somewhere I have come across a web site with a list of names of Covenanters, but I haven't been able to find it again today.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

Offline sonofthom

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 264
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 March 16 09:50 BST (UK) »
Try https://drmarkjardine.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/dr-mark-jardines-thesis/ for a very detailed website on the Covenanters. Although the Covenant was signed in 1838 this was well before the "killing times" so I am not convinced that we are dealing with Covenanters.
Sinclair: Lanarkshire & Antrim; McDougall: Bute; Ramsay: Invernesshire; Thomson & Robertson: Perthshire; Brown: Argyll; Scott: Ayrshire: Duff: Fife.

Offline hurworth

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,336
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile


Offline grendlsmother

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 197
    • View Profile
Re: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 March 16 14:09 BST (UK) »
The following (taken from Caerlaverock Castle home page) may throw some light on this.

The second siege, in 1640, was the castle’s last. It was brought about by Lord Maxwell’s adherence to Charles I in that monarch’s struggles with the Covenanters (religious dissenters). On that occasion the garrison held out for 13 weeks before surrendering. Following the siege, the castle was stripped of all its valuable fixtures and fittings, and the great south curtain wall was demolished to render the building useless as a place of defence.

This was during the "Bishops Wars" - a prelude to what is commonly known as the English Civil War.   The Convenanters were objecting to having Bishops.   I assume the Maxwells cited in the document were in some way connected to Lord Maxwell who owned the castle.  You should find plenty of stuff on the 1st & 2nd Bishops Wars on-line.   

Hope this helps.
Grendlsmom.
Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
Ireland (pre-1820) McCormick (Monaghan)

Offline Forfarian

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,083
  • http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ruz/
    • View Profile
Re: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 March 16 18:32 BST (UK) »
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

Offline hurworth

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,336
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: 1640s - what had these men from Dumfries done?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 31 March 16 19:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the lead grendlsmother.

I would say that it is it.   Interesting so that so many Maxwells are involved given that Caerlaverock Castle was in the possession of a Maxwell.