Felix Owen b ca 1835 Manchester

[josey]

Thanks for all that, lancsann. Great to have Susannah's MN, confirms the marriage of 1839 & I can get their father's names.
Marriages Jun 1839 
MASTERSON    Susannah        Manchester    20   430    
OWENS    William        Manchester    20   430    

Re-the 1841 ages, even if William & Susannah were 24 or so, they couldn't have a son of 15 though could they?

Re-Charlotte, the Charlotte born 1850/1 married in 1871 [I have the certificate] aged 20 living in Greengate, as is husband James Burton, father William Owen dyer. So as you say, looks like she was the 2nd Charlotte they had.

Thanks.

ADDED: As an aside - wonder where Catherine, 19 in 1851, is in 1841?
There is a 15 yr old Catherine Owen in Deansgate but not born in county:
George Taylor   15 NBIC
Catharine Owen   15 NBIC
HO107; Piece: 570; Folio: 42; Page: 30

[lancsann]

At Manchester Cathedral

Name:    Susannah Masterson
Marriage Date:    23 May 1839
Parish:    Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name:    Bryan Masterson occ farmer
Spouse's Name:    William Owens occ stiffener
Spouse's Father's Name:    Joseph Owen occ chandler

living at 18 Rowe street - both of full age

Susannah describes herself as a widow even though her maiden name was Masterson

[josey]

Thank you so much. The Cathedral I presume is CoE but some of the children were baptised at an RC church... From http://mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_results.php
Bap   OWEN   William   1848   Father of: Charlotte OWEN at Manchester, St. Wilfrid, Hulme   
Mar   OWEN   William   1849   Father of Thomas OWEN at Manchester, St. Wilfrid, Hulme   
Bap   OWEN   William   1851   Baptised at Manchester, St. Wilfrid, Hulme

Looks like there was a William born 1851 who died young - not on 1861 census.
1861 RG 9; Piece: 2943; Folio: 27; Page: 7; 2 Cheetham St
William Owens 45 dyer
Susannah Owens 50
both born Ireland
Henry Owens 17
Thomas Owens 15
Charlotte Owens 12
all born Manchester

As William & Susannah both state they were born in Dublin, may have to look for their fathers in Ireland. Have found the marriage entry thanks; I see a Jane Owens was witness - possibly William's sister?

[amram]

St. Wilfred,  Hulme
OWEN? Charlotte
Baptised: 10 Dec 1848 Father: William OWEN? Mother: Susannah MASTERSON
Godfather: Mich GILLON? Godmother: Mary DOWD
Notes: Born Nov 17th

The William baptised in 1851 had a father Thomas. This is the only one to this couple in the register.

[josey]

Thank you for those details about Charlotte - she is a direct ancestor of my d-i-law whose tree I am working on. Can rule out that William from this family then.