What does I mean? - researching the Davenports of Radcliffe

[aggiebagwash]

Thanks Jim. I've been going round in circles with this family. On the 1851 census they are living in Wolstenhome Court, Radcliffe Bridge.

William Davenport 32 Cotton Dyer born Pilkington.
Mary 35 born Pilkington.
Prometheus (written as Parmananus) age 7
Martha age 1.

This is my problem. On the 1841 census I can't identify William and Mary for definite. There are 3 William's around the right age. One married to Hannah with a baby Joseph, one married to Mary with a child called Abraham, and one single and living with his mother and siblings in Little Island and this is where I'm getting stuck. On the 1851 census Prometheus is born circa 1843 but I can't identify his mother and then there's a large gap to Martha so was he the William living with his mother or is he the one married to Hannah and she's died and he's then married a Mary?

[msr]

Thanks Jim for adding the information.

Although the marriage didn't show an alternative surname for Mary, the birth reference does, giving mother's maiden name of Fletcher also.
If aggiebagwash were to feel confident enough about these records, sending for the certificates would be of great interest.

Susan

[msr]

Aggie, Prometheus born in 1843 gives mother's maiden name of Ashworth!

[aggiebagwash]

Prometheus and Martha are on all the censuses with the family I am looking at so I know it's the right family. I'll see if I can find a marriage for a Davenport to an Ashworth.

Thanks very much.

[aggiebagwash]

 I think I may have worked it out fingers crossed.

 I suspect that William Davenport married Hannah Ashworth  5th March 1837 and he's on the 1841 with son Joseph age 11 months. Joseph's mother's MN was Ashworth. Joseph died in 1841.

Hannah died either 1843/4 or 1846 and the only marriage I can find for William is possibly to Mary Coates in the 3rd quarter 1848.

Margaret

[lancaster.jim]

Hi, Aggie,

You have a conundrum and it seems to be getting worse.

Susan has pointed out the TWO surnames for Abraham's mother, which I had missed.  I have not found a death for Abraham.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
DAVENPORT, Prometheus, Radcliffe, [Mother's Maiden Name] ASHWORTH   

There appears to be another(??) DAVENPORT / ASHWORTH family in Bury South (1844, 1846) in Radcliffe (1849).

There are TWO possible Martha births in 1849 -

DAVENPORT, Martha Ann, Prestwich, [MMN] DAVENPORT
Possibly an unmarried mother??
DAVENPORT, Martha, Pilkington, [MMN] DAWSON   PILK/11/16

There is a possible marriage -

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
Surname   Forename(s)   Surname   Forename(s)    Church / Register Office   Registers At   Reference
DAVENPORT, William; DAWSON, Mary; Prestwich, St.Mary; CE18/19/448

This would require a death, possibly -

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
DAVENPORT, Mary, 36, Pilkington, PILK/6/87

Hope this helps,

Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

[msr]

Aggie, this from lan-opc.org.uk clarifies the marriage of Abraham's parents, but perhaps no longer relevant if it is another family you are looking for.

Marriage: 26 Aug 1838 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
William Davenport - (X), full age, Weaver, Bachelor, Stand Lane
Mary Lealand - (X), full age, Widow, Stand Lane
    Groom's Father: Wm. Davenport, Weaver
    Bride's Father: Abraham Fletcher, Weaver
    Witness: John Hardman; Isaac Davenport
    Married by Banns by: G. B. Sandford Curate
    Register: Marriages 1838 - 1839, Page 34, Entry 67
    Source: LDS Film 2356187

[aggiebagwash]

As the only definite names I have for this family on all the censuses are William and Mary and Prometheus and Martha and their other children I have to follow those names.

As the family are non-conformists the only way I can trace them are on Civil Registration records.

Jim I think you're right that Martha's birth is the one linked to Dawson as some of the censuses say William was from Pilkington  but the marriage date is way out.

[lancsann]

I don't think that Davenport / dawson marriage in 1858 is your William

Marriage: 11 Jan 1858 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
William Davenport - (X), 34, Engine Driver, Bachelor, Lees Hall Fold, Oldham
Mary Dawson - (X), 34, Winder, Spinster, Smethurst Street, Oldham
    Groom's Father: James Davenport, Weaver
    Bride's Father: Joseph Dawson, Grocer's Assistant
    Witness: Robert Dawson; Caroline Dearden, (X)