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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #9 on: Monday 25 July 16 23:22 BST (UK) »
  Ah now I can see it and am not sure how I missed the word 'age'.    So the word near the beginning is decede - deceased.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 09:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you polarbear and Malcolm

So it looks like something along the lines of " Joseph Shaw - he died in prison age 79 years....."

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Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 11:38 BST (UK) »
He died on the "trente unième jour du mois de décembre"  - the 31st December.
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 14:01 BST (UK) »
Thank you Isabel for the date  :)
Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....


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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 15:05 BST (UK) »
 
Another little input. soufrante de neuf ans en.. translates as suffered nine year with

Its a pity the next word isn't legible.
Scatty
Fitzgerald/Mullane/Riordan/Heaphy/Barrett, O'Brien, Doneraile area
McCormack/ Brophy/Egan/Gavin,  Tullamore area
McCormack, Corr, Dublin
Hennessey and Heaphy in South Wales Valleys



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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hello Scatty

Thank you, it definitely is a shame about the next word, would be so nice to know what he suffered with for 9 years, such a long time.

Would be great also to find out where the burials were for people who died in prison. 

It looks like all the other deaths on the page were either hospital or prison.

Thank you  :)
Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 17:28 BST (UK) »
Quote from: hmserge link=topic=752793.msg6015482#msg6015482
... would be so nice to know what he suffered with for 9 years, such a long time.

Some confusion here, I think?

When I first suggested soixante dix neuf ans (= aged 79 years, all the way back in reply #5), it was intended to be an alternative for Malcolm's soufrante de neuf ans (reply #1, which I’m afraid I can’t see).

Adding the date that IsabelH suggested (reply #11), I offer the following possible reading, with a little guesswork in brackets ...

Joseph Shaw est décédé dans la prison commune dans le district
de Montréal le trente unieme jour du mois de décembre dernier
agé de soixante dix neuf ans, en foi de quoi [nous avons signé]
ainsi que le dit comparant


Joseph Shaw died in the municipal prison in the district of Montreal on the 31st day of the month of December last, aged 79 years, in faith of which [I have signed], as has the said witness.

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 20:24 BST (UK) »
   I can see that now.   What I didn't notice at first was the slide bar beneath the attachment and so I wasn't even looking at the very faded and vague words to the right.   That makes a difference when you aren't aware of other words no matter what they are.  Sorry.   Malcolm.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Help with French translation please - Joseph Shaw death Montreal
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 21:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you Bookbox, thank you Malcolm

I really do appreciate everyone's help.  I would never have worked out any of this if it wasn't for such helpful people, thanks so much  :)


Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....