Roath Conundrum - driving me mad!

[sgf28]

Possible Charles' parents marriage:

James Roath or Routh
Jane Morris/Marris, both of this parish

15 Nov 1830
St Peter and St Paul, Aston Juxta Birmingham

Witnesses: Robert Roberts and Sarah Brown

[sgf28]

1841 Census for James and Jane in Holywell, Flintshire:

James Roeth,30, wire drawer
Jane Roeth,30
Mary Roeth, 4
Richard Roeth,5
Jane Roeth, 5
George Roeth, 11 Mo
 
Pce:1413
Book:5
Folio:48
Page Number:5

[littleem1906]

sadly I can't see the article in that newspaper either.

Thank you sgf28 for the marriage and census record

[littleem1906]

There are a few more newspapers that this event appears in.

[littleem1906]

I've now read articles on the child cruelty case in 1879. It was so sad!

Just to recap, I need help in finding Charles Edward Roath post 1881 and his death.

[littleem1906]

Hi All!

I'm still really stuck with finding Charles Edward Roath post 1881. He was born in Hollywell, Flintshire, Wales. He appears in the 1881 census (aged 35) living in King's Norton with an Alice Roath (age 22). She is listed as his wife but I can't find any record of this marriage.

Any help with finding what became of him post 1881 would be greatly appreciated. I've tried to find Alice in 1891 but to no avail.

[alivin]

In the 1891 census, Elizabeth Roath and children Charles, Emily and Harriet are boarding with the Turner family in Cecil Street, Birmingham. Their surname has been incorrectly transcribed as Boath (FindMyPast) and Beath (Ancestry).

Archive: RG12
Piece:    2394
Folio:     4a
Page:     8

Elizabeth is listed as a widow, so from that can assume Charles died sometime between 1881 and 1891. However, so far I haven't been able to find a death record for him either.


According to the GRO index, the following births were registered in Birmingham under surname Roath, mother's maiden name Onions:

ROATH, ELIZABETH          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1868  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 17

ROATH, ALICE          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 6

ROATH, ELLEN          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 33

ROATH, EMILY          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 31

ROATH, CHARLES FREDERICK     ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 68

ROATH, CLARA          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 85

ROATH, MARY JANE        ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1876  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 3

ROATH, ANNIE          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 83

ROATH, HARRIET          ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 47

ROATH, ADA             ONIONS 
GRO Reference: 1881  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 228


So it appears they had two extra children who weren't on your original list - Annie and Ada. The following death registrations are from the GRO index:

ROATH, ANNIE       1 
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 202

ROATH, ADA          1 
GRO Reference: 1883  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 156

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
To access the index you will need to register (it's free).

It is interesting that Ada's birth was registered in the June quarter of 1881, with mother's maiden name as Onions, if Charles was by then married to Alice  It appears she is buried at Witton Cemetery in Birmingham. If you go to the following site, you can download a free index of burials at four Birmingham cemeteries and order a copy of the burial register details: http://bmsgh-shop.org.uk/BIRM-Cemeteries
 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

If Elizabeth is still alive, i think it unlikely Charles and Alice have actually married - just passing themselves off as such. wasn't much divorce available to the working man in those days

[Jool]

Sorry for butting in on your thread littleem1906, but I just wanted to say a quick thank you to Alivin for posting the Birmingham cemeteries link.  I am searching for the burial of one of my ancestors in Birmingham, sadly I didn't find him on the link but at least I can now rule out 4 more cemeteries - thanks Alivin