Thomas Joyce and Margaret Smith's children (c1910)

[TheNineteenth]

Margaret Smyth or Smith was born in Belvue, Nenagh, Ireland in February 1876. Around the turn of the century (perhaps earlier), so decided to emigrate, and moved to America where she met and married a Thomas Joyce.

They had two children, Margaret and Michael, around 1910. Around 1914, the family came 'home' to Belvue, but Margaret's sister, Bridget, did not get on at all well with Tom Joyce, and so Tom and his daughter Margaret returned to the USA. Michael and his mother remained in Belvue. Margaret died and was buried on 9th April 1959.

Within a few days, Michael headed off to England and stayed in touch with the family only briefly. It is unknown if he had family.

His American dwelling sister Margaret is believed to have had family, but died in the late 1980s.

Just wanting to see if anyone can help me track down anything that became of Michael and Margaret. Finding where they were born would be a good start, too!

[Lisa in California]

Could this be the family? 

New York Passenger List
Sailing on board the Celtic, sailing from Queenstown, Ireland, arriving New York, New York, 12 June 1920
Margaret Joyce, age 38? [no place of birth]
Margaret Joyce, born 1912, born Philadelphia
Michael Joyce, born 1913, born Tipperary
Husband/Father: Thomas Joyce, Philadelphia, PA
Exact dates of birth were included, but since they are "recent" births, I can send them by pm, as well as their exact address in Philadelphia.

[Lisa in California]

PM sent to you as well as information about the 1934 sailing for Margaret (born 1913) - from Queenstown to New York.

[TheNineteenth]

Thanks, Lisa!

I see no reason why this family shouldn't fit into the 'story so far'. Assuming the story is right though, then...
Margaret needs to go from Ireland to the US
The family need to go from US to Ireland
The family need to go from Ireland to US (provided by you - 12/6/1920)
Then Margaret and her son return to Ireland. Unless Margaret and her *two* children return to Ireland, leaving young Margaret free to return to the US In 1934...?

[*Sandra*]

There was a US Emergency Passport Application for Margaret Joyce - 18 May 1920 London - children - Margaret born Philadelphia 5 June 1913 and Michael born Tipperary 1 October 1914 - Mother Margaret born Tipperary March 1882 - husband Thomas Francis Joyce born Girardville Pennsylvania and now residing Philadelphia for the purpose of roofworker. Margaret permanent residence 3054 North Judson Street - left USA 23 May 1914 arriving Tipperary Ireland 2 June 1914 where I am now residing for the purpose of visiting my brother. Lived Ireland - 1882 to 1904 and 1914 - 1920

Identifying documents - Cert of baptism issued by Rev J P Mealey, St Josephs Church, Girardville PA on September 6 th 1916 stating birth of Thomas Joyce on 27 October 1881 and marriage certificate issued by Rev Jas H Black (rector) St Francis Church 54 East 11 th street Portland Oregon 8 May 1912 showing marriage of Thomas Francis Joyce and Margaret Smith.

Photograph attached.

Sandra

Added - Corrected - Lived in Ireland not left Ireland.

[*Sandra*]

Affidavit to explain protracted foreign residence and to overcome presumption of expatriation

[*Sandra*]

photograph of Margaret and the two children. (any family likeness  )

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

WW1 Draft for Thomas Francis Joyce -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81J1-J7X?i=4088&wc=9F8Z-HZQ%3A928312701%2C929040201%3Fcc%3D1968530&cc=1968530

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

WW2 Draft - Thomas Francis Joyce - person who will always know him is Mrs Kopper.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6777-V1F?i=2251&wc=SPQQ-4WL%3A172726801%3Fcc%3D1861144&cc=1861144

Sandra