But ..what happened to the babies ...?

[Ali Reynolds]

so what happened to leo? did you find out?

[brigidmac]

No I haven't had time to look into him but hopefully mum's Ancestry friend will be able to help me with that on weds

Do you think he was jesse Smiths birth father ....In court he said Lottie was already pregnant when they met ....But another article said they'd been travelling together for years .

[brigidmac]

Have looked at a few crime pages for Herbert Smith ....Only one conjuror....Most of the crime reports are by a London  blacksmith not the same man

[brigidmac]

My mother is particularly interested in what happened to Jessie Smith as this would be her aunt

Did he take on the Ball surname did she marry and have children ? ..If so DNA could prove whether her mother Lottie (Bourne),Roberts
Was our Lottie Roberts B 1881'Birkenhead
Mothe R of Maisie Roberts adopted daughter of Hallis family 1911

Adoption was not a legal term this early

I wonder whether prison records would show her release address perhaps a connection with Lottie's sister Mary Irvine who was managing the estate of their recently deceased father John Roberts

[brigidmac]

Stuck in. 1906  and 1907

I don't know where to look for the prison records or what became of Herbert Smith and Lottie Roberts after their prison terms that would have taken them inton1908 if served fully



I can't find any  other babies names or adopters

I typed out a sentence in my sleep I think .....I've sleep walked and talked before but not sleep researched !

Have modified

Apologies

[frostyknight]

Hi Brigidmac, I'm sorry but I don't understand your last post.

[brigidmac]

Sorry frosty

I didn't understand it either ..Fell asleep with tablet in my hand ...So it must have made sense to me at the time ..I.ve modified it .

[frostyknight]

  I've come close to doing that myself on occasion.

[brigidmac]

Update

I believe more and more that this Lottie Roberts was my ggmother. Can you see family likeness from my avatar
Consensus is that she looks a bit older than 20

By the time she came out of prison 1908 her own  daughter Jessie smith would have been well and truly established with Mr and Mrs Ball who were initially paid to care for her and  "expressed a desire to keep the child"

On 1911 Census Jessie Smith was adopted daughter of Mr Ball but had retained the surname she was registered under ( birth father Herbert Smith )

Where would she go after prison ..?

My Lottie was a drapers assistant in 1899. So using half the money from her father's estate she could have set up in business and become a costumier

1911 in Conway ...
 Charlotte Roberts single aged 30    b.Liverpool
Living alone in a house with several rooms

She's my best bet    would still like to obtain the prison records ..For an address or name of who she was going to