John Brazier Marriage 1831

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Hi all,

I am trying to work out my family line back to when they first arrived in UK and have hit a brick wall.

Basically I am trying to work out the ages or witnesses on parish records in 1831.  My relation was the first born in 1832  Charles Brazier in Castle Camps, Cambridgeshire but I don't know whether he was born to John brazier   and Charlotte Clarke  or John Brazier  and Sarah Webb

Can anyone provide the names of witnesses on the below marriage??

23 Feb 1831  John Brazier  Charlotte Clarke  Helions Bumpstead

I am also trying to locate the parents of John Brazier above , I thought initially they were John Brazier 1773-1833 and Sarah Bowtell 1768-1854 but now have doubts.

Thanks for your help!

 

[keyboard86]

Hi just for the record is Charles the one aged 28 b Castle Camps, Married to an Ann 26 with children Joseph 4 and Samuel 2 in 1861 RG09/1029/104/7

1851 census with John 44 b Essex and Sarah 42 b Cambridgeshire
Plomesgate, Suffolk??
Census ref HO107/1802/522/5
Keyboard86

PS the one in 1851 had brothers James b 1844 and Walter 1848 Plomesgate mmn Webb

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Hi, thanks for the reply    It is a different Charles

Charles Brazier/Brasier is listed as born 1832 in Castle camps on census 1841, 1851 etc.. By 1861 he is married to Isabella Webb (m. 1855 St Giles) & living in Woolwich Kent as a Shipwright not an ag. Labourer. Died 1894 Portsea island.

I'm almost certain that he was born to John Brazier and Sarah Webb not Charlotte Clarke..

The problem is I'm trying to find out who John Brazier born 1803-1811??  parents were.  The ages fluctuate between a birth 1805 - and 1811. He says he was born in Essex , or Reelings beemden? Sarah was born in Thadau Camps (Shudy camps). 

Also for the 1841 census the surname is spelled with "s" not "z"

Thanks very much for your help.

[keyboard86]

Hi again,  cannot locate a Charles Brazier bc 1832 Castle Camps via my search site 1841/51, also odd that the John b Essex /Sarah b Cambridgeshire in Plomesgate 1851, had two sons mothers maiden name Webb?

Keyboard86

EDIT In 1841 the Plomesgate family are in Plomesgate:-

John BRASHER 35 Not born in county
Sarah 33 Not born in county
Charles 9 Not born in county
Plus siblings aged 6 to 1 b Suffolk
Census ref HO107/1031/ 1/26/ 3

Can you tell me where your Charles Brazier b c 1832 Castle Camps is in 1841)51 please?

[Annette7]

Your wording suggests some doubts - have you got Charles' marriage certificate to confirm his father was indeed a John?   

If you believe your Charles to be the one with John and Sarah in Aldeburgh in 1841/1851 (shown as an App. on the latter) plus in 1861 2 of his brothers are a Smith and a Shipwright, then yes, his parents were indeed John and Sarah.

Although born ca.1831/32 in Cambridgeshire (per 1851 census) he wasn't baptised there - in fact, he was baptised 3rd August 1834 Aldeburgh, son of John and Sarah (baptised with his sister Sarah born in Aldeburgh 1834).

The John with Sarah is shown to be born ca. 1806/7 - I can't decipher either of the place names shown on 51/61 census - looks like he died Sept.qtr. 1861 Plomesgate (district for Aldeburgh).

Annette     

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Thanks for the replies.  Yes on the 1855 marriage cert. father was John (farmer), he is not present though.

Charles was born in Castle Camps in 1832 but I haven't been able to find a birth record for him in a parish register. However there is is a christening for the first two children. Sarah was born 1834 in Suffolk as identified on  41, 51 census both in Aldeburgh Suffolk..

John Brasier, 3 August 1834 Aldeburgh   C13179-1   England-ODM   918524
Sarah Brasier,  3 August 1834 Aldeburgh

in 1841 he is "out of county" your record is correct. In 1851 he is listed as "app" living in Suffolk age 19.

For John, I also cannot read the places of birth. On one census on both 51/61 census it states Essex. Then Relings Beemden. and the other Helverston. These places don't seem to exist?

[robesur]

The witnesses to the marriage of John Brazier & Charlotte Clark which took place at St Andrews, Helions Bumpstead, 23 Feb.1831 were Stephen Belchamp and I think Sarah Tilbrooke, both made their mark as well as the bride & Groom. Sarah Tilbrook's name is difficult to read but using my knowledge of local families I feel sure that is correct. Bride & Groom were 'of this parish'

[Annette7]

It was Charles Brazier who was baptised with Sarah at Aldeburgh in 1834 (not a John).

Clearly, when he was born the family were about to move to Aldeburgh and they didn't baptise him in Castle Camps before they left which is why there is no baptism there.

Once Sarah born they baptised her and aforementioned Charles together on 3/8/1834 Aldleburgh.

Annette