family of Alfred BLACK & Harriett Elizabeth THOMPSON

[JonJon]

Hi Everyone,

I am attempting to find descendants of
Alfred BLACK & Harriet Elizabeth THOMPSON who married in the March Qtr 1881.

Currently I know of 5 children born at Loughborough, LEI
( There may have been others who were born & died between Census. )
Note also that the family were likely Baptists.
Those I find in Census records are :
Alfred BLACK                 born Mar qtr.1882 m. Mary Ann CULLEN
John Henry BLACK          born            1883 m. Fanny TAYLOR at Sherness, Kent
Albert BLACK                 born Mar qtr 1887
Harriett Elizabeth BLACK born Jun qtr 1888 m. Augustus Frederic STANILAND & Samuel HENSON
Ernest Arthur BLACK       born Jun qtr 1890 m. Emma Jane MARSTON

I suspect there was a child born between John Henry & Albert and after Ernest Arthur.
( Should have checked the Dove index when it came online.. sigh. )

I also have some of grandchildren from census records.

Can anyone help please.

JoJon in Toronto, Canada

[willsy]

Hi JonJon

You cah now search the GRO with mother's maiden name

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

BLACK, HERBERT  EDWARD      MMN THOMPSON      
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 142

BLACK, ELIZA  ANN      MMN THOMPSON      
GRO Reference: 1892  D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 122

Loughborough All Saints, baptisms for children to Alfred and Harriet
Alfred 5 Feb 1882
John Henry 5 Aug 1883
Albert Edward 3 Jan 1886

it's all reference material

[willsy]

Marriage announcement

Leicester Chronicle and the Leicestershire Mercury (Leicester, England), Saturday, January 15, 1881; pg. 5

Black-Thompson.-On the 8th inst, at the General Baptist Chapel, Wood-gate, Loughborough, Mr Alfred Black to Miss Harriet Thompson

[JonJon]

Thank You Willsy.. that GRO URL will get overworked from here.
I am sure that we all have families with missed children.

[willsy]

The death option now has ages, so you might want to overwork that one too!

[Artypie]

Mary Ann Cullen is in my tree. I have the following children for her and Alfred Black:

Children:
BLACK, FRANCES  ALICE ,  Mother's maiden name:    CULLEN      
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 128

BLACK, HARRIET  ELIZABETH  Mother's maiden name:   CULLEN        
GRO Reference: 1904  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 133

BLACK, ALFRED         Mother's maiden name:     CULLERS
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 127

(N.B. Alfred can be seen on the 1911 census document with all the family so Cullen is spelled incorrectly on the birth record or transcript.)

[JonJon]

HI Artypie,

Thank you for your post.

Alfred BLACK (1882-1931) and his children are my relatives.
I believe his :
wife Mary Ann CULLEN was born 1877 and died 1921.

Son Alfred BLACK born 1905 died 1978 married 1929
Constance Flora HOLMES born 1905 died 1967
they seem to have had 3 children and divorced.

The eldest child (1931-2005) seems to have married 3 times and had 7 children,

Can you confirm ?

Cheers

[Artypie]

Hi,
Alfred Black was born 1st quarter of 1906, not 1905, see the GRO reference I posted, above - that came direct from the Record Office web facility:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

I don't have any further info on their descendants, as it's Mary Ann's sister, Lillie who is my direct ancestor. She married George Smith in 1899 and had six kids. On the 1911 census it is noted that "wife is away" and I have found no further trace of her.

Back to Black, I have just done a quick search and found the following:

The marriage of Alfred to Constance in Loughborough in 1929:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV89-8T3S

A decade later, there is a marriage of an Alfred Black to Ida M Jukes, also in Loughborough:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV8V-B2YM

Frances A Black (Alfred and Mary Ann's daughter) married Frederick W Pateman in 1930:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV8S-7HJ5

Mary Ann Black's death:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVH9-SK75

Mary Ann Cullen's father was William James Cullen (b 1847, Canterbury, Kent, d 1922 Loughboro') and her mother was Elizabeth Hoverd (born1854 in Newcastle on Tyne, d 1931, Loughboro') who married in Kendal, Westmorland in 1872. They had 14 kids in many different places including Scotland, Durham, Liverpool, Westmorland, Barrow in Furness, Worcestershire, Essex, Yorkshire and Northampton. He was a worker on railway construction, hence why they got around a lot.

I also found the three Black children you mentioned, born 1931, 1934 and 1937. No others with the mother's maiden name of Holmes came to light in my searches. This would fit with the parents divorcing and their father possibly re-marrying in 1939, to Ida M Jukes. I found one child named Black with mother Jukes, born in Loughborough in 1945.

The only Ida M Jukes I can find was born Chesterfield 1913, MMN Chambers.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2FPT-4PR

[JonJon]

Hi Artypie,

I agree that Alfred BLACK who's birth was registered in the Mar Qtr of 1906 is our man.
However there are no Alfred BLACK births registered in the Dec Qtr of 1905; and the
Death Registration for the Alfred BLACK who died in 1978 gives a birthdate of 23 Nov 1905.
It was within the rules for a birth in Nov to be registered in the following Qtr.
To prove this we need to see the Birth Certificate.

Adding to your other data :

Constance F BLACK married Albert BRYAN Dec 1939 Blaby 7a 173

Looking for children I found that their first was registered in 1937 and matched the third child registered as a BLACK ! Then there is a gap for WW2 before another child.
It is likely that some of the children of the three marriages are still alive.

Cheers