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Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« on: Saturday 04 February 17 06:04 GMT (UK) »
Simply that - would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?

What about civil registration ? Would a birth record (and death record?) be created for a stillborn child ?
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 February 17 07:34 GMT (UK) »
No a child has to be living to be baptised, however as with all rules that does not mean it never happened.

As the baby was stillborn there would be no birth registered and no death registered but there may be a burial registered.

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 February 17 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   I read recently that if a child is stillborn after 24 weeks a birth certificate may be issued.

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 February 17 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
   I heard (BBC Radio 2) recently that if a child is stillborn after 24 weeks a birth certificate may be issued.

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A stillbirth is registered in the stillbirth register rather than the birth register.
There is a good website at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jff/ which gives much information about the details recorded and the procedures involved, in Ireland.

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 February 17 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I see that stillbirth registration is very, very recent genealogically speaking - "Since January 1995, parents of a stillborn child in Ireland have been able to register their child's birth, even if he/she was born before that date.")

So generally speaking, for a stillbirth in the late 1800s/ early 1900s there'd be no official record at all - no birth, no baptism, no death (and the 1911 census only records "number of children born alive").
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 February 17 08:24 GMT (UK) »
An stillborn couldn't be baptised so couldn't be buried in consecrated ground.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/humaninterest/cradle-to-the-grave-204120.html
You were suppose to forget about them.
The recent Stillbirth Registry is finally an attempt to give them the dignity they deserve and reconized the suffering of the parents.

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 February 17 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I see that stillbirth registration is very, very recent genealogically speaking - "Since January 1995, parents of a stillborn child in Ireland have been able to register their child's birth, even if he/she was born before that date.")

So generally speaking, for a stillbirth in the late 1800s/ early 1900s there'd be no official record at all - no birth, no baptism, no death (and the 1911 census only records "number of children born alive").

The first part of your post is incorrect. The stillbirth register itself has been around long before 1995. Not sure where you got that quote from but here are two sources which explain the procedure-
"Since the 1st of January 1995 all stillborn babies in Ireland must be registered. You can register a stillbirth even if the baby was born prior to that date."
http://www.feileacain.ie/registering-a-stillbirth-in-ireland/
and http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?con=254
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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 February 17 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the clarification aghadowey (the quote was the first sentence from the link that Guy posted)
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Would a stillborn RC child be baptized in the late 19th/early 20th century?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 04 February 17 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Very interesting article Sinann.
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)