Will St Giles Workhouse, Endell Street help me in my search?

[braam63]

Jonw65, you mentioned that the records state that she was single when she was admitted, is that correct? Any other data perhaps? If I may ask, where do you get the data?

[Milliepede]

The birth for Mary Behan in 1902 has no mothers maiden name on the GRO index but I can't see another daughter Kathleen mentioned - when was she born? *

* birth under Behen 1907 Lambeth district - workhouse entries for her also

I agree it doesn't look like the same person as Elizabeth but is curious.  Possibly they were both cooks together and met that way 

PS The admission records are on ancestry under London Workhouse Admission and Discharge records 

[jonw65]

Hi
Yes, it says that she was single. May not be reliable of course.
Unfortunately I don't think the St Giles Workhouse A+D register is on ancestry. The LMA catalogue seems to imply there is a gap in the creed registers for that period.
The settlement record is on ancestry, but is unindexed
If you can access ancestry somewhere, you need
London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
Use "Browse this collection" (small boxes, right hand side of page)
Borough - Camden
Poor Law Union - Holborn
Record Type - Settlement Papers
from the list that should appear select - Parishes of St Giles in the Fields, St George Bloomsbury: Examinations, 1903-1904
Exam 84143 is images 192 and 193 (of 662)
An index is on image 4

For Mary Behan, you need the previous book,
Parishes of St Giles in the Fields, St George Bloomsbury: Examinations, 1902-1903
image 134 of 644
John

[jonw65]

The birth for Mary Behan in 1902 has no mothers maiden name on the GRO index but I can't see another daughter Kathleen mentioned - when was she born?

Hi
There's a later St Giles creed register that is on ancestry.
Which has Mary Behan + Kathleen admitted 3 October 1907
Mary was 35, Kathleen 3 months
They both go into a Westminster workhouse, 4 Dec 1907 (Kathleen born 1907)

St Pancras WH admission, 8 October 1907!
Kathleen born 8.7.07
John

[braam63]

Thank you, I'll try all of this. Wow, what interesting information.

I asked a German agency to investigate the German side, however even with 10 years of experience she got to a dead end - the first time in her life. Hopefully I'll get further now...

[braam63]

I can unfortunately not access the ancestry site mentioned.  Reading the information supplied, it seems as if Elizabeth remained with the Workhouse? Is there any data prior to 1903? Would there be anything on the different censuses which could shed some light?

[braam63]

Also, would there be any documentation after the Workhouse experience? Anything that could point me in a direction? Many thanks.

[jonw65]

Hi
Sadly there's nothing there about her origins. There's not a lot on the record really.
It does say Woman, 35, Chas Geo, 16 days. 13th Aug 1903
That could be the discharge date

I guess that if the maternity department at the French Hospital had not been full up Elizabeth would have given birth there.
Haven't found her in the 1901 census, although can we really be sure she would have definitely been Behm on that?
Nor, if she was sill in London after WW1, does she appear to be on any electoral registers. Presumably because she was a foreign national.
So it might be hard to catch up with her again until (hopefully!) the 1921 census is released.

Did you get her will, was there anything useful in it?

On seeing the exam on ancestry, they are giving free access to UK records over this weekend, you only need to be a registered member. I'll post a direct link then.
John

[Milliepede]

It's a pity we can't find her in 1901.  Can we be sure she was even in this country for the 1901 census?

I know it says she appears to be in this country 1897 as a cook but am guessing this is going backwards from the years married on the 1911 census?  Will check.