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Offline Chris Cameron

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Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« on: Friday 24 February 17 20:36 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to locate information on my Great-Great-Grandmother, Elizabeth Ann Jackson.  She married my Great-Great-Grandfather (Thomas Thornhill Neagle) in 1862, in Napier.  She claimed to be "of age" and born in New Zealand, which would give her year of birth as 1841.  However, in her death record, she claimed to be 19 at the time of her marriage.

She died in 1936 in Napier.  We believe her father was William Jackson, who is described as a "mariner".  We believe she had a sister Caroline and that her mother was Margaret Ann Jackson (nee Hunt).  We have information regarding baptism records from Auckland around 1843 for Caroline and Elizabeth Jackson.

We haven't been able to locate any information to confirm her date or place of birth, or any additional details regarding her parents.
Cameron, Neagle, Jackson, Stewart, Brown
Stevens, Smith, Donovan, Edwards, Murchie
Everson, Blandford, Blackman
Anderson, Irving, Keddie

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 February 17 22:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello Chriscamnz and welcome to Rootschat....... :)

Might this be the birth of Elizabeth's child?

1876/2705   Neagle   Herbert   Elizabeth Ann   Thomas

This link gives details of information collected at a birth registration, in this case from 12. 10. 1875.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/birth

If you order a printout (cheaper than a certificate, may contain more information and can be e-mailed) you may obtain more information than you already have.  :)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 February 17 22:32 GMT (UK) »
My Great Grandfather is Herbert's older brother, Thomas William Neagle, born in 1863.

I have the BDM records for the birth of Thomas and Herbert, as well as the 1862 marriage record. Unfortunately, as they both declared themselves 'of age', they weren't required to provide parental details at the time of their marriage.
Cameron, Neagle, Jackson, Stewart, Brown
Stevens, Smith, Donovan, Edwards, Murchie
Everson, Blandford, Blackman
Anderson, Irving, Keddie

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 February 17 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

If Herbert was born in 1876* and you have his birth record, this should provide the following details...

Mother

Name and maiden surname
Age
Birthplace


*Or is this not the correct Herbert?


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 February 17 23:07 GMT (UK) »

"...William Jackson, who is described as a "mariner".   Where are you seeing this reference?

What names do you see for witnesses on the marriage record, 1862?

Hawkes Bay Weekly Times Apr 1867 p80
The cutter Elizabeth Ann, Captain JACKSON, of Auckland, was totally wrecked at the Tairua Saw Mills on 23rd ult....all hands saved.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 February 17 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Does this birth belong to your Elizabeth Ann?

1878/12952   Neagle   Bertha Jane   Annie    Thomas


If so, the mother's details (as listed above) must surely show on the registration document......


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 February 17 01:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello Chriscamnz

Gosh, she certainly lived to a ripe old age.   :)     

NZ BDM has her age as 97 years ... and a cemetery record (Park Island) says she died on 4 October 1936 - aged 98 years.

Were you aware that she used the names "Annie Elizabeth NEAGLE" ?   [Her death registration and the cemetery listing both show this ... as well as electoral roll listings.

*  Given that she lived so long, it seems very likely that her longevity would have been acknowledged... and also perhaps her length of residency in the Hawkes Bay.

*  Have you tried looking for a published obituary?   Or maybe there are notes for the old settlers in a Hawkes Bay repository ?

   ~  Lu



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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 February 17 03:37 GMT (UK) »
Posted in 2012........


http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.neagle/83.2/mb.ashx

"Married Elizabeth Anne Jackson in Napier 03 November 1862.
Elizabeth Anne was apparently born in Coromandel, New Zealand 13 May 1841".

Additional:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jackson-19904



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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann Jackson
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 February 17 04:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the comments.

We are fully aware of the different names that Ann has gone by at various times.  To answer other questions
1. Ann's death record gives her father as Jackson, with occupation sailor.
2. I haven't seen that shipwreck information, I'll look into it further.
3. The witnesses for the marriage of Thomas and Ann are Samuel Taylor (Labourer) and Elizabeth Mill or Miller
4. The birth of Herbert in 1876, gives Ann's age as 36, with her place of birth as Auckland.  This ties with the probably baptism record that I'm aware of.  This would place her year of birth as 1840, and make her of "full age" at her marriage in 1862, but at the time of her death, they gave her age at marriage as 19 (not of age) and place of birth as coromandel.  Being 97 in 1936, would give her a birth year of 1839, which would make her 23 at the time of her marriage!
Cameron, Neagle, Jackson, Stewart, Brown
Stevens, Smith, Donovan, Edwards, Murchie
Everson, Blandford, Blackman
Anderson, Irving, Keddie