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Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« on: Sunday 26 February 17 17:09 GMT (UK) »
My grandfather's eldest brother John Siesor Luffman (1818-1886)is shown as a "higgler" (self employed ploughman for hire) in the 1871 census. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the only service he hired out as a Y chromosome 37 marker DNA test has shown that there was at least one person in Lincolnshire in the right time frame (say 1840-1875 when he finally married) with whom I share 36/37 markers. Is there anyone else who can trace a previously undocumented line back to this period and area, Alford-Lincoln area with whom I could share the results of my test, just to try to establish whether this was a one off fling, or whether he was unofficial father of modern Lincolnshire? If so, please contact me by the Personal Message system. Thanks.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 April 17 12:55 BST (UK) »
How intriguing Redroger , I hope you will keep us updated.

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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:09 BST (UK) »
I will indeed, but as you know you are the first respondent. Not many people have had Y chromosome DNA tests and the field is very limited. Hopefully there will be several replies soon, about people who were born illegitimately in the area between Lincoln and the East Coast (centred on Alford) and between 1835 and 1875 when he finally married.
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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:14 BST (UK) »
A higgler was an itinerant trader, not a ploughman.
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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:16 BST (UK) »
A higgler was an itinerant trader, not a ploughman.

Please see above, the term used was "Higgler" which is used for a person hiring out agricultural ( and in this case other!) services.
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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:19 BST (UK) »
A higgler was an itinerant trader, not a ploughman.

Please see above, the term used was "Higgler" which is used for a person hiring out agricultural ( and in this case other!) services.


I've never seen it used for anything other than a peddler.  Can you show a reference for your usage?

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Mike

Edit - yes, found a reference to it in South Lincolnshire - it seems to be a very local use of the word. Interesting.

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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 April 17 17:44 BST (UK) »
That is the Reference Mike, I believe it came from "History of Boston" by Pishey Thompson (1856)
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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 August 17 13:53 BST (UK) »
Have arranged for an upgrade on my FF to a y67 test. Shall update when possible. If not check my gedmatch number. I have Brightons and Barkers around Long Sutton. But who knows
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Re: Is he the father of modern Lincolnshire?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 August 17 19:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks, I notice the surname Lehmann amongst your interests.Apparently this is recorded as another version of Luffman. Not clear whether maternal or paternal. I wonder?
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