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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 05 March 17 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Per the 1851 census there were 4 courts in Norbury Street but house number 2 is a normal dwelling. Just one household there in 1851 (Mathew Hand, milk dealer).

By 1893 all of that area had gone - swallowed up by Lime Street station:

http://maps.nls.uk/view/126523136#zoom=5&lat=10065&lon=10803&layers=BT

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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 05 March 17 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, that is really interesting.  I suspect my ancestor was in Liverpool for medical training and was not short of money, so (sharing) a house rather than a Court could make sense.

Looking again at the 1841 census, it is a household with three families in it - a Lodge-keeper, Gilder and children; a Tailor; and my ancestor - a surgeon with wife and baby.

I think they are only in Liverpool for a couple of years, judging by their children's birth places.

Thanks

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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 05 March 17 15:55 GMT (UK) »
The 1891 map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/335049/390517/13/100871 shows the area after Lime Street Station was expanded.

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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:25 GMT (UK) »
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Looking again at the 1841 census, it is a household with three families in it - a Lodge-keeper, Gilder and children; a Tailor; and my ancestor - a surgeon with wife and baby.

Is this Edward Wright? He's not in Norbury Street in the 1841 census. He is in a lodging house in Gloucester Street.
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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:27 GMT (UK) »
It was Elizabeth Hardman's lodging house which was at 12 Gloucester Street.
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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Does the 1841 enumerate Norbury Street separately?  Perhaps they just moved round from the lodging house to No 2 Norbury Street.  Are they far apart ?

Norbury St is their address in 1842 at the birth of their son.

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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:39 GMT (UK) »
Yes Norbury Street is enumerated separately.

Per Gore's 1843 directory EWW was a provision dealer, address 2 Norbury Street. This ties in with the 1848 insolvency petition which recites that he had been a grocer in Gloucester Street.



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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:44 GMT (UK) »
This is him! 

YOU ARE AMAZING!!!

Annoyingly I have to go out now, but will come back to this tomorrow.  All the places etc tie up..

Thank you - another scandal in the family!

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Re: Liverpool - Norbury Street - where was it in 1842?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 06 March 17 10:20 GMT (UK) »
I have also found the next bankruptcy meeting for EWW. (10 Aug 1848)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/20880/page/2784

This is all new to me - is there anywhere else I should be looking to find the outcome of this hearing. I think this is referred to as the Final Hearing.

Also are there likely to be any of the hearing papers anywhere? Birmingham Archive?

What would have been the impact on him if he had been declared Bankrupt??

Very curious...