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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 19 March 17 16:36 GMT (UK) »
It looks like you're both right about the John's baptised in 1791 and 1796, in that the first died and the second was the son of Joseph. It looks like Joseph re-married in 1807 after his wife Elizabeth died.

As to the couple(s) John and Elizabeth, there's at least one in 1841 and 1851 census' and it looks like that Elizabeth died in 1851 and was buried in Ridgmont. There's a possible baptism of Elizabeth Norris in Ridgmont in 1801, which would tally with the other records. The GRO indexes have another, older Elizabeth Hutton dying in 1845 but it's not obvious who she is. There's no obvious death records for John Hutton either.


Aspley Guise parish records:

30 May 1787 Marriage - Jos Hutton & Eliz Cooper; botp; lic
20 Mar 1788 Baptism - Sar; dau. of Jos & Eliz; farmr
14 May 1788 Burial - Sarah Hutton; dau of Joseph (farmr) & Elizabeth
29 Dec 1789 Baptism - Sar Hutton; dau. of Jos & Eliz; farmr
19 Mar 1790 Burial - Sarah Hutton; dau. of Joseph (farmr) & Elizabeth
06 Apr 1791 Baptism - Jn Hutton; son of Jos & Eliz; farmer
20 May 1791 Burial - John Hutton; son of Joseph (farmer) & Elizabeth
10 May 1792 Baptism - Eliz Hutton; dau. of Jos & Eliz; farmer
11 Jan 1796 Baptism - Jn Hutton; son of Jos & Eliz; farmr
05 Aug 1803 Burial - Elizabeth Hutton; wife of Joseph (farmer)
02 Apr 1807 Marriage - Jos Hutton (wid) & Sar Coleman (sp); botp
11 Nov 1807 Burial - Elizabeth Hutton; dau. of Joseph (farmer)
06 Sep 1821 Burial - Joseph Hutton; 68
05 Aug 1829 Burial - Sarah Hutton; 60


Ridgmont parish records:

27 Sep 1801 Baptism - Elizabeth Norris; dau. of Roger & Elizabeth
14 Jan 1824 Marriage - John Hutton & Elizabeth Norris
12 Sep 1851 Burial - Elizabeth Hutton; age 50; of Aspley

GRO BMDs references:

1845 Q2 Death - Elizabeth Hutton 51 (est b1794) Woburn 06  82
1851 Q3 Death - Elizabeth Hutton 50 (est b1801) Woburn 06  72

Census records:

1841 Census - Aspley Guise
John Hutton 45 (est b1796); Bedfordshire; Farmer
Elizabeth Hutton; Bedfordshire

Ref HO107; Piece 5; Book 1; Folio 6; Page 6;

Writing very faint; Elizabeth's age illegible.


1851 Census - 95 East Street, Aspley Guise
John Hutton; 56 (est b1795); farmer (70 acres)
Elizabeth Hutton; 50 (est b1801); farmer's wife

Ref HO107; Piece 1755; Folio 52; Page 23;

Birth place recorded as N.K. for both John and Elizabeth



And just to make it more confusing, who's this chap? Could he be the widower of Elizabeth? He's too young though but maybe he fudged his age as his new wife was quite a bit younger....

1861 Census - White House, London Colney, Hertfordshire

John Hutton; Head 55 (est b1806); Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire; Licensed Victualer
Mary A Hutton; Wife 23 (est b1838); Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire
John E Hutton; Son 1m (b1861); London Colney, Hertfordshire
Sarah E Ellis; Daughter In Law 4 (est b1857); Aspley Guise    
George Rossin; Traveller; unmarried; 45, birthplace unknown; Dealer In Cattle

Ref RG09; Piece 829; Folio 79; Page 14;

GRO BMD references:

1861 Q1 Marriage - John Hutton & Mary Ann Ellis; Edmonton 3a  129
1861 Q1 Birth - John Ellis Hutton (mmn: Ellis); St Albans 3a  287

Marriage register states John was a widower aged 55 and his father was Joseph Hutton, a farmer.
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 19 March 17 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Curiosity got the better of me again...

By 1871 it looks like Mary Ann Hutton (nee Ellis) had remarried to Joseph Dickinson.

1871 Census - Aldenham, Watford, Hertfordshire
Joseph and Mary Ann and Mary Ann's children, Sarah and John, plus some of Joseph's children.

Ref RG10; Piece 1380; Folio 7; Page 6;

GRO BMD registrations:
1863 Q1 Death - John Hutton 67 (est b1796) Barnet 03a 81
1864 Q4 Marriage - Mary Ann Hutton & Joseph Dickinson St Albans 3a 506

So is that death in 1863 John, with his real age?

Colney Heath parish records:
29 Mar 1863 Baptism - John Ellis Hutton; son of John and Mary Anne; farmer; of Colney Heath
02 Feb 1863 Burial - John Hutton; age 67; of Colney Heath
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request for HUTTON
« Reply #20 on: Monday 20 March 17 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Dear "Cuffie81"
Thank you kindly for your generous input.  You have helped me enormously.
I have to pack up my laptop now but will look properly when I get back to Johannesburg tomorrow.

Thanks also to the rest of you for your help:)
Rgds
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #21 on: Monday 20 March 17 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Following up trish's reference to Robert and Caroline Bailey they are often living next door to Frederick Hutton and his wife Ann, and Frederick is a master bricklayer. And Arthur Hutton, a lodger with Robert and Caroline on the 1851 census, was a bricklayer. Are Caroline, Arthur and Frederick siblings? Frederick's age fluctuates a bit but seems to be about 1820 (give or take a few years).

So looking at the various couples, and Caroline's niece and nephew, we get some possible GRO references. Obviously you'd need to look into it the further to double check the marriages are as they seem. Marriage certificates would determine whether or not these Huttons are the children of John (the miller).


GRO BMDs references:

1846 Q3 Marriage - Robert Bailey & Caroline Hutton; Newport Pagnell 5 585

1848 Q2 Birth - John Bailey (mmn: Hutton); Woburn 06  118
1851 Q1 Birth - Frederick Robert Bailey (mmn: Hutton); Woburn 06  151
1854 Q2 Birth - Betsy Sarah Bailey (mmn: Hutton); Woburn 03b  369
1856 Q1 Birth - Caroline Bailey (mmn: Hutton); Woburn 03b  386
1859 Q4 Birth - Walter Bailey (mmn: Hutton); Woburn 03b  367


1849 Q2 Marriage - Frederick Hutton & Ann Samwell; Woburn 6  177

1851 Q1 Birth - Caroline Hutton (mmn: Samwell); Woburn 06  145
1853 Q1 Birth - Frederick Hutton (mmn: Samwell); Woburn 03b  373
1855 Q3 Birth - John Hutton (mmn: Samwel); Woburn 03b  355
1857 Q3 Birth - Fanny Edith Hutton (mmn: Samuel); Woburn 03b  349
1861 Q2 Birth - Laura Annie Hutton (mmn: Samwell); Woburn 03b  391
1864 Q2 Birth - Henry Arthur Hutton (mmn: Samwell); Woburn 03b  382


1849 Q4 Marriage - Henry Hutton & Ruth Pettitt; Wellingborough 15  872

1850 Q2 Birth - Elizabeth Hutton (mmn: Pettit); Newport Pagnell 06  410
1852 Q3 Birth - William Henry Hutton (mmn: Pettit); Newport Pagnell 03a  403
1854 Q1 Birth - John Hutton (mmn: Pettitt); Wellingborough 03b  132
1856 Q2 Birth - Emma Jane Hutton (mmn: Pettitt); Wellingborough 03b 144


1851 Census - Wavendon

Henery Hutton; Head 30 (est b1821); Aspley; Farmer
Ruth Hutton; Wife 21 (est b1830); Wellingborough
Elizh Hutton; Daughter ?m (est b1851); Wavendon
James Hutton; Visitor 55 (est b1796); Aspley
John Pain; Servant 14 (est b1837); Wavendon; Labourer
Emily Garner; Servant 16 (est b1835); Wavendon; Servant

Ref HO107; Piece 1723; Folio 211; Page 19;


Also, on the 1861 census Robert Bailey is listed as a publican of Weathercock Inn, which seems to have a long connection to Huttons...

The Weathercock Inn
http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/Weathercock.html

The Weathercock Public House Aspley Guise
http://bedsarchives.bedford.gov.uk/CommunityArchives/AspleyGuise/TheWeathercockAspleyGuise.aspx
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 21 March 17 13:10 GMT (UK) »
FREDERICK Hutton
Birth Date   1819
Age   30
Spouse's Name   Ann Samwell
Spouse's Birth Date   1825
Spouse's Age 24
Event Date 27 May 1849
Event Place Salford,Bedford,England
Father's Name JOHN Hutton
Spouse's Father's Name John Samwell
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 21 March 17 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Bedfordshire archives have various documents and references to Huttons in Aspley Guise. Below are a few pertinent ones which would imply Henry James Cooper Hutton is not the brother of the Huttons baptised in 1826.


Reference: ABM1787/32a; Date free text: 29th May 1787
Allegation; Joseph Hutton of Aspley Guise a batchelor aged 21 years and upwards and Elizabeth Cooper of Aspley Guise  aged 20 years to be married at Aspley Guise, with the consent of her guardians. Signed Joseph Hutton before William Aveling
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110543104

Reference: ABM1787/32b; Date free text: 29th May 1787
Bond; Joseph Hutton of Aspley Guise to marry Elizabeth Cooper of Aspley Guise. Joseph Hutton and Henry Cooper both yeoman of Aspley Guise bound for 200. Signed Joseph Hutton, Henry Cooper before William Aveling
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110543116

Reference: R6/2/8/15; Date free text: 14 Sep 1866
Declaration of George Whitman of Aspley Guise that:
- he was 44 years old;
- he knew John, father of Henry James Cooper Hutton;
- John Hutton was married twice, first to Elizabeth Norris of Ridgmont in Jan 1824 and second in May 1861 to Mary Ann Ellis of Aspley Guise;
- Henry James Cooper Hutton was born in 1824, only child of John and Elizabeth Hutton;
- John Hutton died in Feb 1863
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110085138

Reference: R6/2/8/14; Date free text: 20 Jan 1866
Letter of Attorney in which Henry James Cooper Hutton, formerly of Aspley Guise, now of Nyn House, Upper Um Romas, Port Natal, South Africa nominated John Thomas Green of Woburn, gentleman as his attorney in the sale of his land in Aspley Guise.

Witnessed by John Milne and Henry H.Bird of Pietermaritzberg, Natal, South Africa, clerks
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110085137

Reference: WL85; Date free text: 1875
Abstract of Title of Joseph Allen Piggott to freehold messuage in Aspley Guise; No.29 in Lot 1; abstracted by Sharman & Smail of Bedford for purchaser and T.W.& J.Pearse for vendor

See Beds. archive page for full text, it references Joseph Hutton, John Hutton and his wife Elizabeth and his son Henry James Cooper Hutton.
http://bedsarchivescat.bedford.gov.uk/Details/archive/110001462
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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 22 March 17 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Back home in Johannesvburg tofind some more generous help.  Thank you once again.  Also, the Huttons descendants at Valhalla and Bedford farms, Creighton,  are amazed and very appreciative of the info!

Info from Cuffie:         "Reference: R6/2/8/14; Date free text: 20 Jan 1866
Letter of Attorney in which Henry James Cooper Hutton, formerly of Aspley Guise, now of Nyn House, Upper Um Romas, Port Natal, South Africa nominated John Thomas Green of Woburn, gentleman as his attorney in the sale of his land in Aspley Guise."

The name  is Umkomaas,which was/is small town/village really, on the South Coast of the Natal Colony. Ironically my Mothers grandparents were married there in 1899!

I'll start putting all this together....there must be some connection between Henry James Cooper Hutton and  Adam Hutton......

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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 23 March 17 15:11 GMT (UK) »
I have spent many happy hours going through all the information received.  Thanks. Very interesting. 

I did find another John Hutton baptised 28 May 1794 in Newport Pagnell, Buckingham.  Mother is Fanny Hutton, no father mentioned.  Illegitimate?  A Fanny Hutton is born  Oct 1771, Newton Pagnell, father is George Hutton.  Seems Fanny marries a Luke Everett in Oct 1794, a few months after John is born.

This could be the second John Hatton? who marries Elizabeth Gripps on 29 May 1817, Aspley Guise.
 
There's 2 possible marriages between a 'John Hutton' and 'Elizabeth':

29/05/1817 Aspley Guise - John Hutton & Elizabeth Cripps (of Cranfield)
by license; wit: Maria Cripps, John Assbee

1824 Ridgemont - John Hutton & Elizabeth Norris; lic
[I don't have access to the above records so it's inferred from the surname index and the info Sue has provided]


One of the things I am struggling with is the 1841 Wavendon Census where siblings (all baptised same day) FREDERICK, HENRY, ADAM **** and ARTHUR HUTTON are in the house with Susannah (Farmer)  and Mary Hutton.  In 1841 sister CAROLINE can perhaps be found in  Dunstable with 4 other young women.  Caroline later marries Robert Bailey and is living in 1851 at the Weathercock Inn (the Inn in two counties!), Brother Arthur(Bricklayer) is lodging there too.  Brother Frederick (bricklayer) lives down the lane with his wife Ann.  ADAM has sailed for South Africa in 1850.

Adam was apparently a Blacksmith.  He was also divorced from his wife Eliza Ann Freshwater in South Africa in 1879.  He died in 1893.

 So, back to the 1841 Census:  who are Susannah and Mary??? And why are these children all here? Helping Susannah on the farm perhaps? Where are the parents?

Susannah is also mentioned in connection with the Weathercock Inn in 1829, after the death of Elizabeth Hutton, wife of Michael Hutton (her mother???) she seems to be in charge of selling the effects at the auction. Huttons resided there still till 1838.

Following up trish's reference to Robert and Caroline Bailey they are often living next door to Frederick Hutton and his wife Ann, and Frederick is a master bricklayer. And Arthur Hutton, a lodger with Robert and Caroline on the 1851 census, was a bricklayer. Are Caroline, Arthur and Frederick siblings? Frederick's age fluctuates a bit but seems to be about 1820 (give or take a few years).

So looking at the various couples, and Caroline's niece and nephew, we get some possible GRO references. Obviously you'd need to look into it the further to double check the marriages are as they seem. Marriage certificates would determine whether or not these Huttons are the children of John (the miller).
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The Weathercock Inn
http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/Weathercock.html

The Weathercock Public House Aspley Guise
http://bedsarchives.bedford.gov.uk/CommunityArchives/AspleyGuise/TheWeathercockAspleyGuise.aspx
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Seems this Elizabeth inherited the Inn, along with her children, when her husband Michael Hutton died (date?), will dated 1808.  A son James Hutton (baptised in Wavendon in 1792, parents Michael and Elizabeth Hutton is also mentioned.  He could be the visitor in the 1851 Wavendon Census for Henry Hutton oo Ruth.  Age a bit out but born Aspley Guise.

There is a GRO for a death of Susannah Hutton, Newport Pagnell, Q2 1844 which I will order.  (These certs are posted so take while to get to me).

Hope my ramblings haven't gone too far off track.  Grateful for any more comments :)

Sue




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Re: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire LOOKUP request fro HUTTON
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 23 March 17 20:20 GMT (UK) »
That 1841 census record is a puzzle. Assuming Susannah (age 40-45) isn't the mother of the others then what's her relationship to them. And how is Mary related, another sibling to the younger ones or possibly a sibling to Susannah?

One thought I had was that Susannah was actually the 'Miss Susanna Hutton' mentioned in the newspaper item in 1829 re. the death of Elizabeth.

Looking at baptism records for Michael and Elizabeth in Wavendon, they did have daughters named Susaanah and Mary, and also a son named John. But the Susannah and Mary on the 1841 census are too young be be the same ones, even accounting for the rounding down of ages on the 1841 census.

Wavendon parish records:

19 Mar 1775 Baptism - William Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
02 Mar 1777 Baptism - Mitchel Hutton; of Mitchel & Elizabeth
17 Dec 1780 Baptism - Elizabeth Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
01 May 1785 Baptism - Susannah Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
07 Sep 1788 Baptism - John Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
16 Jan 1791 Baptism - Mary Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
09 Dec 1792 Baptism - James Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth
08 Jun 1794 Baptism - Francis Hutton; of Michael & Elizabeth

Records from FamilySearch/IGI.

Maybe Susannah and Mary were grandchildren of Michael and Elizabeth, rather than children. Or maybe they were spinsters and fudged their ages quite a bit on the census (but the gaps just seem too large for that).

That GRO death  record for a Susannah Hutton does look interesting as it puts her at about the age of the daughter of Michael and Elizabeth, 59 (est b1785).

Something to bear in mind is that the Weathercock Inn is right on the Aspley Guise/Wavendon border, and Wavendon comes under the Newport Pagnell registration district.


The death record I posted previously for Elizabeth Hutton in 1845 would put her in a similar age range as John, the son of Michael and Elizabeth. I hadn't been able to find any other suitable Elizabeths in the area who it could be either.

1845 Q2 Elizabeth Hutton 51 (est b1794); Woburn 06 82

The info on the Weathercock Inn also mentions a mill, which may be the mill seen on later maps. John, the miller, would obviously had to work at a mill, so which one? It might be worth trying to find out what mills existed in the area.

Bedfordshire XX.15 (includes: Aspley Guise; Husborne Crawley; Wavendon; Woburn Sands)
Surveyed: 1880 to 1882
http://maps.nls.uk/view/114482550#zoom=4&lat=3501&lon=4754&layers=BT


Edit: Updated as I realised Sue had already found the 1844 GRO death record for Susannah Hutton.
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