Author Topic: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870  (Read 1401 times)

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:18 BST (UK) »
I suspect it is enumerator error and George in 1871 is actually Georgiana. 

Still doesn't tell us about William though so I think to solve that little mystery you are going to have to buy the 1868 birth cert.  I can't find any baptism for him which would have helped

If he was Margaret's son then it leaves a very short timescale for her death - June 1868 - Feb 1870
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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:20 BST (UK) »
On the E&W Civil Reg Birth Index 1837-1915 for 1862 [Jul-Sep] George is there & Georgiana is 2 lines below both under Depwade, Norfolk [vol 4b, page 17]

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:24 BST (UK) »
Carole, As you say William Swell Hawes birth cert may well be the answer, & would definitely narrow down the period for Margaret's death, again many thanks, Michael

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:25 BST (UK) »
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On the E&W Civil Reg Birth Index 1837-1915 for 1862 [Jul-Sep] George is there & Georgiana is 2 lines below both under Depwade, Norfolk [vol 4b, page 17]


I know - but different page numbers.  See my reply above - I checked on the GRO site and George & Walter were twins - mmn Sage - page 220

Georgiana was page 217 - mmn Sivell
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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:28 BST (UK) »
It may be that William Swell Hawes & Margaret died in childbirth of in some epidemic [cholera was a big problem in the 1800's in London]

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:39 BST (UK) »
No death pre-1871 for William - he is not the Kensington death as there is a corresponding Kensington birth for him

There is a Marylebone infant death but I doubt that's him
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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 15 April 17 01:49 BST (UK) »
Have found William Swell Hawes death in Jan-Mar 1869 in West Ham, Essex [E&W deaths 1837-2007 on Find My Past, vol 4a, page 10]

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 15 April 17 02:02 BST (UK) »
George aged 8 yrs in the 1871 English Census is interestingly down as a boy, so the enumerators confusion might have been compounded!

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Re: Margaret Hawes [nee Sivell/Civil/Sivel] death Tibenham/East London 1865-1870
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 15 April 17 02:04 BST (UK) »
Interestingly William's middle name "Swell" is transcribed in both birth & death as Swell