Grahams of Shettleston

[Bryan60]

I have the marriage cert for James and Mary Cuthbert dated 1862 where father is William and mother ia Margaret (ms:Addie) both deceased. James was 21 which means b:1841. The witnesses are listed as David Dunlop for James and Marion Cuthbert for Mary. Mary's parents were david and Janet (ms:Hamilton) . Just to add, my grandads middle name was Cuthbert.

[MonicaL]

That age for James fits well with the family's 1871 entry:

James Graham 39 Coal Miner b. Hoggansfield
Mary Graham 32
Christina Graham 9
James Graham 7
David Graham 1
John Steel    28 boarder

Address: Dunns Land, Shettleston

Further children:

Mary born 1866 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQD9-19N
William 1872 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYBN-F2B
Marion baptism 1877 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HR-B4XF

A daughter Margaret's baptism - not clear what year https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2HR-B3V5

So we have every name mentioned, William & Margaret, James and Christina, David, except Janet for Mary's mother!

Monica

[Bryan60]

Great stuff Monica... Dunns land, thats correct I have this from the census but had no other siblings apart from David, James and Christina. It was William who was listed present at James's death so all the names add up as most are used later in the family when they move to Glasgow. Alas, still no further forward with his mum and dad.. Wiliam & Margaret.

[rosie99]

Who was the informant on his death, is there a chance they would not know his parents names.

When he married he named his parents so they should be right unless he had reason to give false information, when he died someone had to name them.

[Bryan60]

Rosie... when James married he named his father and mother as William and Margaret but when he died his son William named James and Christina as his father and mother. When James married, his father and mother were both deceased which made me think perhaps they died when he was really small and his uncle (James) who is listed on the death cert brought the family up.

 

[MonicaL]

Just been looking through at we have for James in respect of the 1871 - 1901 censuses. He is pretty consistent overall with his age (except for 1871).

1871 - b. 1832 in Hogganfield
1881 - b. 1841 in Barony Parish
1891 - b. 1842 in Glasgow
1901 - b. 1842 in 'Hoffonfield', Lanarkshire

I saw this entry in 1841 for example:

Widow Graham 45 b. England
James Graham 10 apprentice blacksmith

Address: 29 Brown St, Glasgow Brownfield

Hard to say whether this could be James at this stage isn't it.

Would be good to find some trace of him before his marriage on the the 1841-61 censuses 

Confused on a detail on the reporting of James' death. Was it William his son who reported the death or an Uncle James Graham? You have mentioned both. Or do you mean a possible Uncle James Graham could have brought up young James and could explain the confusion on names?

Monica

[Bryan60]

Hi Monika,

william was present at his death and is listed as his son but I was thinking James brought the family up after th

[Bryan60]

sorry........

of William (his brother) and Margaret (Addie) (his sis in law)  Just a thought.

Thanks,
Bryan

[Bryan60]

Monika,

Can I copy and paste certs to this page?

Bryan