thomas southard

[philrmoon]

Hi trying to find Thomas southard

Born Bristol district about 1796 to 1801 ??

Married a Mary Ann altree ( widow ) in Bristol 1828 may have had children before arriving in Whitchurch Herefordshire in the 1841 census where they had 5 more,
Mary Ann died in Whitchurch Herefordshire 1843
Whereupon Thomas left his son Thomas in Herefordshire and must have gone ??

Joseph his other son ended up in a boys school for orphans 1851 near clifton/ Stapleton

Trying to find

Thomas ( widower )

Where born in bristol

Who his parents were

Any siblings

What become of him after 1861 census ( found him in London 1851 census,
I'm 1861 census in Bristol,

Both show him a widower and shoemaker

His death or burial record ??

What become of his three daughters

Matilda b1836

Ann b1840

Elizabeth b1842

Any assistance greatly welcomed

Regards Phil

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This may be a complete red herring as  a lot of details don;t match, however there is a marriage of a Matilda Porter Southard to William Thomas Panzetta in 1865 in St Pancras. says her father is William Southard, whitesmith. On 1871 she was born 1840 in Kerwent, Wales, which I assume is Caerwent in Monmouthshire. It just seemed interesting as that's not that far from (although not right next door to) Whitchurch

[Jomot]

Joseph his other son ended up in a boys school for orphans 1851 near clifton/ Stapleton

It wasn't a boys school, it was the workhouse.

[Jomot]

These look like the deaths of two of the daughters:

SOUTHARD, ELIZABETH      aged 1   
GRO Reference: 1843  S Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION  Volume 11  Page 191

SOUTHARD, ANN      aged 4   
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION  Volume 11  Page 277 
 

[giggsycat]

Just chucking this one in.

There is a Thomas SOUTHERN bc1795 at Temple, Bristol on the 1871 Census.
Perhaps they got his name wrong.

He is a Shoemaker and Widower.

He is at Bristol City Workhouse, Fishponds (Stapleton Parish).

Archive Reference   RG10
Folio   39
Page   35
Piece Number   2575

I can't see him in any earlier census.

[Annette7]

Some baptisms of children of Thomas and Mary Ann:

Sarah bp.17/1/1830 Bristol
Thomas bp.4/9/1831 Bristol
Mary Matilda (as Southward) bp.20/9/1835 Bristol (perhaps called Matilda to differentiate from mother)

Thomas Southward bp.23/2/1800 Temple Church, Bristol son of William and L.
Mary Southward bp.23/5/1802 Bristol, dau. of William and Love.

William Southard died Sept.qtr.1838 Bristol aged 73
Love Southard died Dec.qtr.1851 Clifton Union aged 91.

Annette

[philrmoon]

Hi

Thomas southern born 1795 in temple Bristol, a widower and shoemaker sounds about right,

Any news of a death or burial for Thomas as

Southern

Suthard

Southard

Or southwood

Regards phil

[philrmoon]

Just Matilda born 1836 now


Was she in the workhouse in Clifton / Stapleton also perhaps if no death record


Thanks to all for your assistance

They are relatives of my mothers side of our family

Regards Phil

[philrmoon]

On findmypast there is a record of a M.S in Stapleton as a inmate in 1861

This could be Matilda


Regards phil