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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 April 17 15:46 BST (UK) »

  1841 Census Halesowen Shropshire(Township Oldbury) H0107/908  Bk8   folio32   page8

Job Grigg 15 fitter.

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

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Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

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Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 April 17 20:12 BST (UK) »
Many thanks, Trish. I was not aware of FreeReg previously and that it showed the father's occupation. (Ancestry does not show occupations in its baptism transciptions.)

I did a blanket search of all * Griggs for 1821-35 and, as you posted, found William, Joseph, and Job on FreeReg (as below). I am pretty sure all 3 are mine.

William bapt Oldbury, Worcs 28 Oct 1821 - father John, mother Mary.
Joseph bapt Oldbury, Worcs 2 Nov 1823 - father John, mother Mary.
Job bapt Oldbury, Worcs 5 Feb 1826 - father John, mother Mary.

In this search, I also found a burial in 1835 at Church St Wesleyan Chapel of John Grigg, which is probably theirs and Amplias' father, as it fits in with the rest of the chronology. The record also gives John's parents' names, Joseph and Hannah.

So, some real progress here. Of course, now I have to decide which is the real family name: Grigg (as per all these baptismal entries at Christ Church, Oldbury, Amplias' at Tipton, in the 1851C) or Gregg (as per her marriage in 1852 when she consent by mark, not signature).

As I say, I am pretty certain these folks are mine, thanks to your help, but I would really like images of the baptismal records in the parish registers. Neither Ancestry or FindMyPast provide images of the original baptismal entries for Worcestershire. Do you know where I might find them online, please?

Of course, the mystery remains as to where Amplias' siblings and mother are in the 1841C. One obvious line of enquiry is to look for Amplias' siblings in the 1841 and see whether mother is with one of them. Thanks, Jackie for the 1841 ref for Job whom I suspect may actually be "John"; maybe not. However, he calls himself Grigg, not Gregg. The issue is complicated however by there being two Griggfamilies and 2 Job Griggs in the area.

Any further suggestions, most welcome.

In the meantime, many, many thanks

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John

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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #11 on: Friday 28 April 17 09:08 BST (UK) »
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In this search, I also found a burial in 1835 at Church St Wesleyan Chapel of John Grigg, which is probably theirs and Amplias' father, as it fits in with the rest of the chronology. The record also gives John's parents' names, Joseph and Hannah.

Can't say for sure but aren't parents names usually given when a young child has died not an adult - is there an age on the burial to confirm it could be John the father? **

I would say Grigg for the correct name.  It may have been misread later down the line.

** I stand corrected the record shows he was 38.  Have never seen parents names given on adult deaths before.

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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 April 17 09:47 BST (UK) »
I have seen Parents names given in Burials for Adults but it is very rare.
As they are named they may be still alive?
If John died 1835 Mary may have remarried before the 1841 Census.

Sorry I cant help with original Parish Records images on-line. I dont think they are.
But FreeREG entries are taken from them by Volunteers.

I agree with Milliepede Grigg is the correct name.

FreeREG also has a JOHN Grigg Bapt Oldbury 1797 to JOSEPH/HANNAH
Burial of a JOSEPH Grigg 1837 age 77 (names his Parents)

Trish :)
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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 April 17 10:02 BST (UK) »
The whole page of burials has the parents names.  I would agree that most of them are young enough for their parents to be still alive.  Not sure about the one aged 79 and 2 months  :-X
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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 April 17 11:07 BST (UK) »
I didnt see that one :D
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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #15 on: Friday 28 April 17 12:57 BST (UK) »
Could there be a connection with the following..

1841 census West Bromwich Staffs H0107/978   Bk5  folio27   page 10

Thomas Clarke  20
Ellen                20
John                15
Ann                 15
Hamphles Grig  10

next door
Joseph  Timmins   40 bricklayer
Mary                    40
Leonard                2

I know the above is Joseph...but...

Marriage All Sts Sedgley 5th Nov 1837

Jesse Timmins-full age-widower-bricklayer-father Moses
                        +
Mary Grigg-full age-widow-father Thomas Horton

Abode Princes End
Witnesses Thomas + Maria Fanton.

In 1851 at Oldbury Worcs-Leonard Timmins age 11 is visiting a Thomas + Maria Fanton.

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

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Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
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Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #16 on: Friday 28 April 17 13:04 BST (UK) »
Yes that looks good. I had found the Marriage but couldnt find them on Census (it was late)

If that is Mary then the Marriage I found is incorrect and we need a Horton/Grigg Marriage.
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Re: Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs
« Reply #17 on: Friday 28 April 17 13:13 BST (UK) »
Regarding Leonard Timmins-

Birth Reg Timmins June qtr 1839 Dudley Union -mothers maiden name Horton

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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