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Offline louisa maud

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 13:46 BST (UK) »
Rose being a first time mother at a possible age of 42 and then going on to have more children, six it looks like,  would take her child bearing years to over 50 ish, unless somewhere I have missed something

Has Rose ever been on a census together with George Clark(e)?

Can't find any births that might fit in, also the child who died 1913 if we knew his name we might be able to tie the 2 births together and come up with a maiden name shown after 1911

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 13:50 BST (UK) »
No other information sadly available. I agree about the age of having children so I feel Rose 1871 must be incorrect.
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 13:53 BST (UK) »
Oh dear, we all like  a challenge

So perhaps the Rose who married William Sutton might be wrong then??

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 14:47 BST (UK) »
Your seem to be going just from family hearsay at the moment and this is just not adding up.

The one definite fact is that William Edward Clark married Ruth Bearman in 1935.

I think you need to get a copy of this marriage certificate to a) confirm the name/occupation given for his father (and whether deceased) and b) his address at the time.   This address can then be checked against the 1939 Register to see if other known family members are there.

Without some definite 'proof' everything that you and we here suggest is just conjecture.   Not enough specifics are currently known to pinpoint any of the individuals concerned. 

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 15:23 BST (UK) »
It is times like these I wish I had my subscription to SEAX to look at the church ledgers, Like you Annette I have tried every which way but coming up with NOTHING
LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 15:49 BST (UK) »
POSSIBLES
William John Sutton  married Caroline Felton, she was born circa 1864
death for Caroline 1926 aged 64 which give William  time to marry Rose

William J died 1946 aged 88

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 16:14 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that Rose Sutton married again after William John died in in 1946

Found a marriage Thurrock
Rose Sutton to Harry Scott 1952
then found a death Thurrock 1957 aged 86 for Rose  Scott D of B = 1871 ??


Supposition on my part but surely someone must know when the mother died ?

This doesn't help finding the births of the children but it might solve the date of Rose's birth if this is correct

LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 08:34 BST (UK) »
Hi
It was said that Rose married several time. I had a look at that also and it all seems to fit. The feeling was that Rose & George's separation was due to drink after WW1. So, who was Rose ?
I found a Death for a Walter E.D. Clark Circa 11 August 1914 -1993 in Thurrock Essex. Was this William's brother I wonder? Again I couldn't find the same mother for William & Walter or any of the others.
Rose the daughter was unmarried and had one arm ? cause.

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 08:50 BST (UK) »
I must admit because of the age of Rose's first child's  birth I had wondered whether in fact Rose had been married before and was childless until she met George

But from what you said George was shown as single and  still in Folkestone on 1911, I did look at it myself and he was alone, I wonder what he was doing in London to have met and fathered so many children, I assume mariners stay coastal but then again he could have come into the port of London docks,

Pity we don't know where Rose came from and also a marriage cert would be handy

Because of such a common surname it was difficult to marry up 2 registration numbers for the twins to narrow it down, then to search for the twin who died

Any more information would be handy

I got in touch with a friend who is a Clarke and hails from Thurrock area but he didn't recognise any of the names, shame as I thought I was on a lead

And so the search goes on

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes