John Hibbert, 1807-1884, Ashton under Lyne

[M Jeffrey]

Hi, I'm new to this but I need help, as Ancestry.com & a couple of other sites have just begun to confuse the issue.
My Great-Great Grandparents were John Hibbert, born in1807. He was a Carter by trade. He married Mary ? & they had a family, which included my Great Grandfather, Edward Hibbert, born Ashton under Lyne in 1854, who became a Pork Butcher in Ashton.
I'm looking for John's birth & marriage details, including Mary's maiden name &, if possible both sets of parents.
According to the various census's, Mary was around 5-9 years younger than John.
They had their 1st living child, Mary in 1833/4 & in 1841 they lived in Clay Street, Manchester. However they had moved to Ashton before 1851.
By 1881 John(74) & Mary(65?) were staying in Welbeck Street, Ashton under Lyne, with daughters Martha & Jane, son, John William & granddaughter, Mary Jane.
John died 1 January, 1884, aged 76, his informant was his widow, Mary Hibbert, so she was alive at that time.
I have John's death certificate but finding when my particular Mary died has become yet another task, so if anyone has that info, it too would be appreciated. Thank you.

[rosie99]

Hi

Welcome to rootschat

Could this be Edwards birth registration from the GRO website 

HIBBERT, EDWARD       mothers maiden name NEWTON    
1853  March Quarter
ASHTONUNDERLYNE  Volume 08D  Page 393

[rosie99]

1861 census
John Hibbert   54
Mary Hibbert   49
Sarah Hibbert   19
Martha Hibbert   17
Jane Hibbert   15
Theresia Hibbert   13
John William Hibbert   11
Amelia Hibbert   9
Edward Hibbert   7


HIBBERT, JOHN  WILLIAM     mmn NEWTON     
1849  June Quarter
ASHTON UNDERLYNE  Volume 20  Page 26

HIBBERT, THIRZA       mmn NEWTON     
1847  June Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM  Volume 20  Page 23
 

[heatherjulie]

Hi welcome from me too.

1851
Fleet Street, Ashton
John Hibbert   43 born Ashton under Lyne  Carter and Courier
Mary Hibbert   39
Mary Hibbert   18
Elizabeth Hibbert   13
Sarah Hibbert   9
Martha Hibbert   7
Jane Hibbert   5
Thirza Hibbert   3
John Hibbert   1
Emala Hibbert   1/12

[heatherjulie]

Cheshire BMD has
Emelia Hibbert
born 1851  registered twice
mmn Newton and mmn Whaley


Thirza is registered twice as is Edward
So could Mary have been married before?

Heather

[heatherjulie]

John HIBBERT and Mary WHALEY in 1841 at Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral)

[heatherjulie]

Marriage: 9 Nov 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
John Hibbert - Oldham
Betty Newton - (X), Oldham
Witness: Julian Hibbert; James Sheldrick
Married by Banns by: Thomas Tolming

[M Jeffrey]

Thank you both for your info. Some of the birth dates differ from my original but, in the main, most seem to relate to my family.
I have found that the Edward, rosie99 mentioned, had a different birth year to my great grandfather but, in one section of the family, an Edward was born but subsequently died & it transpires that they re-used the family Christian name for continuity!
Having said this, the 1851 & 1861 census details are pretty accurate & thank you Heather for the address as Fleet Street. I was unsure & had it down as Hart Street, which didn't really look right.
I have come across the surname 'Whalley' but 'Newton' is new to me & hasn't come up on any of the research sites, so that's another avenue for me to follow. I have also found a Mary Bowler & a Mary Kinder, so.........
This has left me wondering if John was perhaps married more than once, which often happened in those years & that each wife was called Mary!!!
I think I am now going to get copies of my great grandfather's birth & death certificates & just see if they have any additional details. Thank you.

[M Jeffrey]

I don't think the Prestwich marriage of John to Betty Newton is mine, as 'Julian' is not one of our family names.