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Offline Liviani

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I'm helping someone with their family research. They have been trying to search for information regarding their ancestor Christina post 1884 for a while now, to no avail.

Here is the information I have regarding Christina so far;

Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.

NB: the McBain family are more commonly listed as 'McBean'.

Christina is in the 1871 census at Inverchnie, Duthil, Rothiemurchus, Inverness-shire. She is living with her father Alexander and her grand-parents Donald and Christina McIntyre.

Chistina is in the 1881 census at Allanroy, Abernethy & Kincardine, Inverness-shire. She is living with;
Elizabeth Grant (76) - Head, James Grant (45) - Son and Henry Grant (31) - Son. Christina is a domestic servant here aged 16.

Three years later Christina gives birth to an illegitimate son; Donald Grant McIntyre. He was born at 24 Brander Street, Burghead, Duffus, Elgin. Quite some distance away from where his mother was living 3 years earlier. There is no father listed on the birth cert. I do wonder if one of the Grant boys in the 1881 census have a part to play here given Donald's middle name. There is no way of proving this however.
Christina's occupation in this birth cert is general servant, and as there is no residence under her signature here she must've been living at 24 Brander Street, Burghead.

Donald G. McIntyre is thereafter (I assume) brought up by his grandparents. He is in the 1891 census living with Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith in Duthil and is listed as grand-son. There is no sign of his mother Christina anywhere.

When Donald McIntyre marries in 1910 aged 26 the parents listed in this marriage certificate are actually his grandparents (gfather and step gmother?) ! It names Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith and a Jessie McIntyre (nee McPherson) as the parents. This is obviously completely incorrect given the census and birth records. Donald must've been told that his grandparents were actually his parents. On Donald's death cert in 1966 it does name his mother as Christina McIntyre however. John McIntyre was a witness at this marriage.

I've searched for Christina McIntyre in marriage, census and emigration records. All to no avail. Since she was born post civil registration and if she remained in Scotland, she cannot just disappear? I'm thinking she either a) married or b) went outside of Scotland.

Can't find a thing regarding her anywhere. Would be grateful for some help on this one.

Thanks!

Jill.
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 May 17 10:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Jill

I wonder if it's worth looking for a will for Alexander McIntyre to see if he mentions Christina - might give a clue to her whereabouts.

Terri
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 May 17 14:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Jill

I wonder if it's worth looking for a will for Alexander McIntyre to see if he mentions Christina - might give a clue to her whereabouts.

Terri

Unfortunately it doesn't look like there is a will for Alexander. He died in Duthil, 1900 aged 68.
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 May 17 15:38 BST (UK) »
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Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.

If she was illegitimate how is she using her fathers name throughout even for her own child instead of McBain  ???

Did Alexander and Helen marry?

I expect you've already looked under McBain or Bean  :-\
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 May 17 15:53 BST (UK) »
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Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.

If she was illegitimate how is she using her fathers name throughout even for her own child instead of McBain  ???

Did Alexander and Helen marry?

I expect you've already looked under McBain or Bean  :-\

I've actually seen this a few times in my own tree where the child is using the father's name. My great grandfather is listed as "Small" at birth after his father. The father and mother never married. My great-grandfather's name was latterly changed after age 7 (where is named as Small in a census) to "McKenzie" which is his step-father's name. There is a corrected entry on his birth entry stating that the man with the "Small" surname is the father of him.

Her birth certificate definitely states that she is illegitimate with the surname of McIntyre.

This doesn't seem to be overly uncommon in Scotland at the time, I've seen it many times.

Helen and Alexander never married. Alexander married a Jessie M(a)cPherson in 1876. Helen McBain/McBean remained single her entire life. She ended up living with her single brother. Searched both McBain and McBean for her.



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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 May 17 16:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you I'm not as familiar with Scottish records  :)

Have you ruled out the Christina Grant born 1864 Duthil Inverness wife of Alexander Grant born 1874 Grantown Elgin, some of the names and places seem to fit. 

Alexander seems a bit young to be a retired butcher at 27 but maybe his age is wrong.

This is 1901 census Cromdale Moray.

There's also a boarder
Jemima Allan 24 born Duthil
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 May 17 16:07 BST (UK) »
No don't think that's her  :(

She could be the Tena Allan 26 in 1891 daughter of James and Margaret sister of Jemima.
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 May 17 16:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you I'm not as familiar with Scottish records  :)

Have you ruled out the Christina Grant born 1864 Duthil Inverness wife of Alexander Grant born 1874 Grantown Elgin, some of the names and places seem to fit. 

Alexander seems a bit young to be a retired butcher at 27 but maybe his age is wrong.

This is 1901 census Cromdale Moray.

There's also a boarder
Jemima Allan 24 born Duthil

No problem and thank you for these records, I'll have a look and see what I can find.

I think Christina's child was named McIntyre after her as there is no father listed at all on Donald's birth record. Though the middle name he has of "Grant" I feel is significant.

Christina's last known location of Burghead I believe to be in the area of Moray, Elgin or Banffshire. Have never researched the location in my own tree so a little unfamiliar with that area as of now. I think "Grantown" is actually "Grantown on Spey". There does appear some overlap with Duthil, Elgin and Moray. Which can be confusing.

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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
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Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
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Cameron, Stewart, Grant
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Re: Christina McIntyre b.1864. She completely disappears after 1884.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 May 17 16:16 BST (UK) »
Yes I agree about the Grant name.  The Grant boys seem to stick together throughout later census.
Would guess at the younger one James sorry Henry who seems to remain single but bit of a leap really (sorry Henry if you are entirely innocent)

I wonder if she went abroad  :-\ you would hope to find a marriage or death in Scotland if she remained there.
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