Clara Elizabeth Bryan and Bennet(t) Harvey.

[heatherjulie]

There is a Clara Bryan at a Ladies Boarding School in 1841
Clara Bryan
Age:   15
Civil Parish: Mottram in Longden Dale
Hundred:   Macclesfield
County/Island:Cheshire


Not born in the county of Cheshire

[ricardoespana]

There is a Clara Bryan at a Ladies Boarding School in 1841
Clara Bryan
Age:   15
Civil Parish: Mottram in Longden Dale
Hundred:   Macclesfield
County/Island:Cheshire


Not born in the county of Cheshire

Yes - that could be Clara Elizabeth Bryan - I can imagine the children being in a boarding school....my great, great grandfather (Clara's father) had money and was a senior officer in a Guards Regiment, as well as  qualified music teacher (Professor of Music).

[Milliepede]

This is my gt, gt aunt - Clara Elizabeth Bryan - born St Mary, Nottingham 1824....now, have I got incorrect information about Bennett Harvey and she married someone called Richard Balshaw??

I don't know if that is her, just throwing the name in the mix in case as there are some similarities with your Clara.

Unfortunately can't see any marriage between a Richard Balshaw and a Clara Elizabeth so can't confirm her surname.  It's possible they didn't marry but lived as man and wife meaning she and Bennett just separated.  Can't see any children for Harvey/Bryan 

The marriage to Bennett is correct as a copy of that is online so you haven't gone wrong there 

[Milliepede]

Could be significant that in 1891/1901 when Clara is widowed she is "living on own means" so I wonder if Richard left a will?  He must have died between 1881-1891 if census info is correct **

This lady died as Clara Elizabeth Balshaw age 84 in Mar 1909.

The more I look the more I think it could be her - what does anyone think?

** death Dec 1886 age 75 which fits with 70 in 1881

[Ladyhawk]

I have her husbands details - Bennet(t) Harvey - Born abt 1821 • Bridgenorth, Shropshire....

I cannot find him on any census until 1881 and 1891 (Salford Union Workhouse and Infirmary),
as well as a business entry for 1855 and 1873.

Here he is with his parents 1851

1851 HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: 668; Page: 5
54 Portland Street
Bennett Harvey 56 occ Hat maker
Elizabeth 58
Bennett 29 Shropshire Bridgewater occ. tea & coffee dealer

Is this his death?

Bennett Harvey died age 70 (c1821)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Salford  Volume:   8d Page:   9

Is it possible that Clara used her middle name Elizabeth - might this be her death?

Elizabeth Harvey age 79 (c1824)
Apr-May-Jun 1903 Salford  Volume:   8d Page:   22

[ricardoespana]

I have her husbands details - Bennet(t) Harvey - Born abt 1821 • Bridgenorth, Shropshire....

I cannot find him on any census until 1881 and 1891 (Salford Union Workhouse and Infirmary),
as well as a business entry for 1855 and 1873.

                                                               

Here he is with his parents 1851

1851 HO107; Piece: 2229; Folio: 668; Page: 5
54 Portland Street
Bennett Harvey 56 occ Hat maker
Elizabeth 58
Bennett 29 Shropshire Bridgewater occ. tea & coffee dealer

Is this his death?
Bennett Harvey died age 70 (c1821)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Salford  Volume:   8d Page:   9

Is it possible that Clara used her middle name Elizabeth - might this be her death?

Elizabeth Harvey age 79 (c1824)
Apr-May-Jun 1903 Salford  Volume:   8d Page:   22

Looking at all the responses, my current feeling and it is just a wild summary...

1...Clara Elizabeth Bryan married Bennett Harvey...this is fact...

2...They went to the USA - Connecticut as per 1860 record....age dates tally..

3...They returned a few years later ..... he became a pauper and went into Salford Union Workhouse where he lived and died.

4... Clara Elizabeth Harvey (using her married name) met a Richard Balshaw - they never married, but lived together .... Richard Balshaw passes away.....Clara Balshaw  (as she now calls herself) becomes a widow...her entries under this name appears in 3 censuses, also her entries tally with the date and place of birth of my Clara Elizabeth Bryan..

Opinions on my summary. please..

Regards

Richard.

[Ladyhawk]

This is my gt, gt aunt - Clara Elizabeth Bryan - born St Mary, Nottingham 1824....now, have I got incorrect information about Bennett Harvey and she married someone called Richard Balshaw??

I don't know if that is her, just throwing the name in the mix in case as there are some similarities with your Clara.

Unfortunately can't see any marriage between a Richard Balshaw and a Clara Elizabeth so can't confirm her surname. 

It's possible they didn't marry but lived as man and wife meaning she and Bennett just separated. 

I can't see a marriage to Clara either but this looks to be Richard on 1861 census with his wife and son

1861
Richard Balshaw 49 Bolton le Moors Agent for ??
Sarah Frances 43 Salford
William 22

1871 Richard Balshaw widowed occ Agent and a boarder

1881 Richard Balshaw married occ Cotton Yarn Agent to Clara

[ricardoespana]

This is my gt, gt aunt - Clara Elizabeth Bryan - born St Mary, Nottingham 1824....now, have I got incorrect information about Bennett Harvey and she married someone called Richard Balshaw??

I don't know if that is her, just throwing the name in the mix in case as there are some similarities with your Clara.

Unfortunately can't see any marriage between a Richard Balshaw and a Clara Elizabeth so can't confirm her surname. 

It's possible they didn't marry but lived as man and wife meaning she and Bennett just separated. 

I can't see a marriage to Clara either but this looks to be Richard on 1861 census with his wife and son

1861
Richard Balshaw 49 Bolton le Moors Agent for ??
Sarah Frances 43 Salford
William 22

1871 Richard Balshaw widowed occ Agent and a boarder

1881 Richard Balshaw married occ Cotton Yarn Agent to Clara

As I said above, these dates fit in with my summary .... I reckon they called themselves husband and wife, as her husband was in the workhouse..

Richard

[Ladyhawk]

As I said above, these dates fit in with my summary .... I reckon they called themselves husband and wife, as her husband was in the workhouse..

I would agree with your summary everything seems to tally - a good spot from Millipede & Marj re: censuses/death

Sorry but I couldn't spot anything for Bennett & Clara Harvey to confirm when they travelled
to US or when they arrived back UK 

No helpful indication on 1860 US census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHRS-RZC
Bennett's occupation Labourer and Clara's Hat Trimmer

For info.

There are some entries from Manchester Rate Books 1760– 1900 for a
Clara Elizth Balshaw, dates 1888,1890,1891,1892,1893

1888 /1891 address   44 Far Lane
Location   Gorton Township

1892 / 1893 Address    3 Tanner Street
Location   Gorton Township

this looks to be the death entry for Richard Balshaw

Richard BALSHAW died age 75 (c1811)
Dec 1886 Chorlton Volume   8C Page   468