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William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:01 BST (UK) »
William Dennis was the man that should have been my grandfather.
This was a story that was never talked about amongst my family. It was my Auntie Doreen that told me this story shortly before she died. Apparently, William married my grandmother, Ann Smith in July of 1900, just a few months after receiving a fine for cycling at 15mph. A few months after that, I was told that he was killed in a mining accident.
It is a really creepy thought, but if he hadn't died, then it is likely that myself, my brother, my cousins, my mother and my aunts and uncles would never have been born.

I've managed to find his obituary, but so far I have been unable to find any mention of his death in newspaper archives.
I discovered a Smith family's census entry in the 1901 census. It was this clue of my grandmother being named as Ann Dennis that led me to believe that she had indeed had a previous marriage.
After William's death, she discovered that she was pregnant. She had a little boy and I believe named him William John Dennis. I'd love to learn what became of him. I thought that he had been given up for adoption but I can't find any details of this. My Aunty Doreen did actually tell me that she met the little boy once.

I have found a William John Dennis on the deaths index for July 1901.
There is also a William John Dennis on the births index for 1901.

I suppose ordering a death certificate for the 1901 William John Dennis might solve the mystery. Tell me, is there another way to order death certificates other than through Ancestry?

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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:09 BST (UK) »
Have you found the family (William & Ann Dennis) in the 1901 census?  If they married in 1900 and he died July? 1901 that was after the census for that year so they should be together as a couple.

I order certificates from the General Register Office site which is online.

It could equally have been the little boy who died as the William John Dennis death September quarter 1901 is aged 0.

Having said that if your Auntie met him that can't be the same little boy. 
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:19 BST (UK) »
Marriages Sep qtr 1900 
Dennis    William       
Smith    Annie       
Pontypridd    11a   853   

DENNIS, WILLIAM  JOHN     mmn SMITH     
1901  Sept Quarter
PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 664
 
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:20 BST (UK) »
Just to recap the births and deaths

Birth September quarter 1901 Pontypridd
William John Dennis mothers maiden name Smith

Death September quarter 1901 Pontypridd
William John Dennis age 0

Death March quarter 1901 Pontypridd
William Dennis age 21

Am guessing the above was the father in which case he wouldn't appear on the 1901 census and Ann Dennis should appear on her own as a widow.  How very sad  :(
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:21 BST (UK) »
As Milliepede said, order certificates from the GRO they are £9.25 including postage to anywhere.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:23 BST (UK) »
I have their wedding certificate from July 1900. I also have my grandmother on the 1901 census as Ann Dennis, living with her parents. No baby listed or mentioned on the census.
Here's some more information.

http://theedwardsfamilytree.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/william-dennis-william-dennis-was-man.html
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:28 BST (UK) »
I see the 1901 census which gives her age as 17?  Awfully young to be married and widowed  :(

On the face of it the birth and death for the baby seems to match but without certificates you can never be 100% sure especially with more common names. 

Need to rule that one in or out I think because there wouldn't have been time for another baby to be born before William died.
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 11:31 BST (UK) »
Doesn't quite match does it.  The obituary says he was 26 and the marriage and death say 21. 
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Re: William Dennis should have been my grandfather.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 16:40 BST (UK) »
William Dennis born  1879 Aberdare He died February 1901 Ferndale
Annie/Ann Smith born 4th October 1883 Pembrokeshire
Ann Dennis remarried George Henry Davies and had seven children
She died 23rd April 1970  Blaenllechau  Rhondda.
If you need any photos ect do look at the facebook for this village Sunny Blaenllecau A friend of mine runs it and has so many photograph of  people who lived in this village.

Best wishes 
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