Help with a census mystery

[maddys52]

Are you sure Marion's surname was PATERSON? I can't see any Annie SMITH (or similar) registered in Durham in 1867 with that mother's maiden name. 

Maddy,

She may have been plain Ann/Anne & surname may have been misheard/misquoted, i.e. Paterson/Patterson/Pattison?

Annie

Hi Annie, yes I agree, though there are no registrations that I can see that are remotely similar? Hopefully methodmoran can fill us in with a bit more detail. 

Btw, I'm not afraid of a SMITH or two, my grandfather was a William SMITH. 

[JanPennington]

Just a thought - 1911 Census in England give the number of years married.  Do they do the same in Scotland?
Jan

[whiteout7]

From the GRO index

SMITH, ANN       PATTERSON     Order
GRO Reference: 1865  J Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 316

So 1865 <-------------------

Why use the census for her birthdate if you can check the GRO?

Marion Smith's death Durham Year 1913 Birth Year 1835 Age 78 Event Quarter
3, District South Shields

GRO
SMITH, MARION       78     Order
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS  Volume 10A  Page 864

Can't find any other marriage than the one in Scotland in 1852 either, does Marion's 1913 death certificate not give her parents names?

[maddys52]

Ah, methodmoran said Annie was born in 1867 so I was looking then, assuming she had the date right. Probably best to wait for methodmoran to get back to us with some answers to the questions asked. 

Added:
This is probably the family in 1871 at Jarrow, Durham

William Smith    38    Scotland
Marian Smith    37    Scotland
Jesse Smith    17    Scotland
William Smith    15    Scotland
Alaxander Smith 13    Spenymoor, Durham
Bruce Smith    11    Elswicker, Yorkshire
Ann Smith    8    Berryedge, Durham
Isabelle Smith    3    Berryedge, Durham
James Smith    2    East Jarrow, Durham

GBC/1871/5035/0044

which makes more sense with the marriage date - Ann was not the eldest child.

[KGarrad]

Marion Smith's death Durham Year 1913 Birth Year 1835 Age 78 Event Quarter
3, District South Shields

GRO
SMITH, MARION       78     Order
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS  Volume 10A  Page 864

Can't find any other marriage than the one in Scotland in 1852 either, does Marion's 1913 death certificate not give her parents names?

Death Certificates in England (& Wales) do not show family details.
Only the name of the informant.

[whiteout7]

Perhaps the Scottish marriage information is a better investment then ..... Jesse Smiths birth is only 2 years after the 1852 marriage. Wouldn't be the first family on here where the mother had babies spread over 17 years or more of marriage

In 1851 was Marion Patterson in the New Monkland, Lanarkshire census

-----> Is this her in Ayr based on a search for her age? On Scotlands People
PATTERSON, MARION 1851 census, age 19, 594/ 10/ 24, Girvan, Ayr

Muirkirk and Loundoun as mentioned above are not that far apart.

[Skoosh]

Here's "Tam's Tree!" a Paterson website, U might just be lucky!

http://www.tompaterson.co.uk

Skoosh.

[methodmoran]

Thanks for all of your comments.

No specifics are given for Marion's place of birth other than London.

William Smith occupation:

1891 I think it says Iron Worker
1901 Shingler Puddling
1911 Shingler Puddling

According to the 1891 census the children are as follows:

Annie Smith b. abt 1868, Consett, Durham
James Smith b. abt. 1873. Jarrow
Marion Smith b. 1874. Jarrow
Robert Smith b. 1877. Jarrow
There are also two grandchildren, John Burnip (Jarrow, 1879) and Roland Smith (Jarrow, 1887)

According to the 1901 census the children are as follows:

James Smith b. abt 1871, Jarrow
Robert Smith b. abt 1880, Jarrow

According to the 1911 census the children are as follows:

William Smith b. abt 1855, Scotland
Alec Smith b abt 1862, Speemore
Anna Bray (Smith) b. abt. 1864, no place of birth. This is Annie, my 3 x great grandmother
Bruce Smith b. abt 1866, Yorkshire, England
James Smith b. abt 1871, Jarrow
Robert Smith b. abt 1879, Jarrow
Marion Lebland (Smith) b. 1877, Jarrow
Bella Jones (Smith) b. abt. 1869, no place of birth

For the census records from before this that I think are them.

1871

William Smith   abt 1833, Scotland. Shingler in Iron Works
Marian Smith   abt 1834, Scotland
Jesse Smith   abt 1854, Scotland
William Smith   abt 1856, Scotland
Alaxander Smith abt 1858, Spennymore, Durham
Bruce Smith   abt. 1860, Elswicker, Yorkshire
Ann Smith    abt. 1863, Berry Edge, Durham
Isabella Smith   abt. 1868. Berry Edge, Durham
James Smith   abt. 1869, East Jarrow

1881

William Smith. b abt 1834 Scotland, occupation I think says Iron Puddlor although its not clear.
Marion Smith b abt 1835 Scotland.
Jessie Smith b abt 1856 Scotland
Alex Smith b abt 1861 Scotland
Hannah Smith b abt 1864 Conset, Durham. I think this is Annie.
James Smith b abt 1871 Jarrow
Eliz. Smith b abt 1872 Jarrow
Marion Smith b abt 1874 Jarrow
Robert Smith b abt 1877 Jarrow
William Smith b abt 1879 Jarrow

[Skoosh]

Iron Puddler, very hard furnace work!

Skoosh.