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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #27 on: Monday 19 June 17 17:24 BST (UK) »
I registered her death and used the 15th as that is the date she gave to me.  It was only subsequently that I found her baptism certificate which gave an alleged DOB as 2.1.08. 

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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #28 on: Monday 19 June 17 17:52 BST (UK) »
Yes, the tree on ancestry - Rosemary Hopkins - is me. :)

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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #29 on: Monday 19 June 17 17:55 BST (UK) »
Yes, my Aunt Maggie (Margaret - we called her Auntie Marie) was registered in Islington.

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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #30 on: Monday 19 June 17 19:08 BST (UK) »
Marriage on 19 sep 1892 at St Augustine S Hackney between Eliza Bryan 24 spinster of 30 White post lane...

Possibly a red herring but ....
1891 census 30 White Post Lane

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QHH6-MMM

1881 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-ZSMK

The ages are right for Mary Ann and Eliza. Or has Mary A already been found in 1881? I'm getting a little confused. ;)

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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #31 on: Monday 19 June 17 19:24 BST (UK) »
Marriage on 19 sep 1892 at St Augustine S Hackney between Eliza Bryan 24 spinster of 30 White post lane...

Possibly a red herring but ....
1891 census 30 White Post Lane

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QHH6-MMM

1881 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-ZSMK

The ages are right for Mary Ann and Eliza. Or has Mary A already been found in 1881?

 I'm getting a little confused. ;)



Not as far as I'm aware

I was looking at these two entries as a possibility for Eliza Bryan

Elizabeth Bryan occ servant in 1891
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3TRF-W2M

and in 1881 as a boarder at 34A and 36 Church St St Stephens Orphanage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-BRMY


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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #32 on: Monday 19 June 17 22:57 BST (UK) »
I've managed to eliminate the Eliza BRYAN who married John Phillips.

1891 census-John and Eliza are on the previous page so not showing with their sons:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X94G-KLT

The family (minus Daniel) appear together in 1911.

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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 14:40 BST (UK) »
Quote from: RosemaryHop
Samuel Mullins is my maternal Grandfather.

The earliest record I have found for him is the 1911 Census, where he is shown with his family - wife/partner Eliza (her family name was "Bryan") Called  her "Lizzie" in this census, and his children John, Sam, Margaret and Rose (my Mother). 

The only other record I have for him is his death Certificate - 28 October 1928, Shoreditch. 

John Bryan was certainly my Maternal Grandmother's Father and her Mother was
Mary Ann (nee Lay) but John Bryan didn't die until 1903 in Bethnal Green, so the dates don't tie in, although he did leave his wife when Eliza was young, so maybe she put deceased on the wedding certificate? 
I am not sure where she was living at that time, as I could not find her in the 1891 census.

Mary Ann LAY father Matthew deceased
married 15 Jun 1862 St James the Great Bethnal Green
John BRYAN shoemaker f James weaver
Wits Frances Mary Lay & Thomas Lay

Do we have two Eliza/Lizzie/Elizabeth Bryan's who happen to be born around the same time
with a mother named Mary Ann?
  ???

1911 census Elizabeth with
John Phillips & children
and the other Lizzie with
Samuel Mullins & their children (which is the OP's family)


I've managed to eliminate the Eliza BRYAN who married John Phillips.

1891 census-John and Eliza are on the previous page so not showing with their sons:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X94G-KLT

The family (minus Daniel) appear together in 1911.


For ease of looking I have tried to list this family following Eliza with Daniel Stevens from 1901 census

1901   RG13; Piece: 343; Folio: 20; Page: 32
John PHILLIPS 37  Homerton Gen. Labourer
ELIZA 32 Hackney
Henry 8 Hackney
Charles 5 Hackney
William  2 Hackney
Daniel STEVENS 78 father London cabinet maker

This appears to be their son Henry age 8 birth entry as Harry

Harry PHILLIPS mmn  BRYAN    
GRO Reference: 1893  J Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 507   

The occupation of father John on his 1893 baptism matches that of the  1892 m/c
John Phillips to Eliza Bryan ???  ??? - see reply 16

Harry PHILLIPS born 12 Dec 92   :-\ baptism 5 Jan 1893 St Augustine South Hackney
father John Phillips occ Costermonger mother Eliza abode 25 Bushb? Road

Not sure if this is Charles birth entry – not found a baptism for him or William to confirm

Charles Alfred PHILLIPS mmn STEVENS    
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 624

I can’t see a John PHILLIPS/Eliza/Elizabeth STEVENS marriage c1891

1891  RG12; Piece: 318; Folio: 15; Page: 23
30 White Port Sand
Daniel STEVENS 64 Spitalfield cabinet maker
ELIZA Stevens dau 22 Hackney servant
Elizabeth 2 mths Hackney grand daugher – who’s daughter is she?

1881 RG11; Piece: 406; Folio: 31; Page: 28
Daniel STEVENS 54 Spitalfield cabinet maker
Mary A 42 St Luke
ELIZA 12 Bethnal Green - haven't located Stevens birth entry to check mmn
Thomas 9     
                                                             "           "
but there is this one
Eliza BRYAN  mmn LAY     
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 179

There is this bapt. at  St James The Great Bethnal Green 
1875 Jan 31st
Ada Elizabeth Stevens born Jan 10th- can’t find her matching birth entry to check mmn
father Daniel, cabinet maker mother Mary Ann abode 34 York Street –

Ada Elizabeth Stevens  died age 0 Bethnal Green Mar 1875

1871 RG10; Piece: 495; Folio: 44; Page: 19
Daniel STEVENS 44 Spitalfield cabinet maker
Emily 39 Spitalfield - Did Emily die
George 15 Bethnal Green
Walter 13
Sarah 10
Daniel 9
Alice 7

1861   RG 9; Piece: 259; Folio: 89; Page: 44
Daniel STEVENS 34 spitalfield cabinet maker
Emily A 28
Emily A 7
George 2
Walter 3
Sarah Ann 1

I think this is Daniel & Emily’s marriage

Daniel George Stevens, cabinet maker father Daniel
married 19 Jul 1852 St John Hoxton
Emily Amelia Sargant her father Jacob



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Re: 1911 UK Census - Samuel Mullins - Shoreditch
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 17:05 BST (UK) »
I have the birth certificate of my maternal Grandmother, Eliza Bryan (partner of Samuel Mullins) and she was born  on 17 June  1868 in  Shoreditch  Her Mother was Mary Ann (nee Lay) and her Father was John Bryan, bootmaker.