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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #72 on: Monday 26 June 17 06:07 BST (UK) »
Greville PO Directory 1875

MERRIWA
Farquhar MCDONALD, selector, Merrivale. 

ABERDEEN
Donald MCDONALD, squatter, Segenhoe
John MCDONALD, farmer, Rouchell

'Selector' should be the first title holder when searching through the lpi parish maps. http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/historical_research/parish_maps

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #73 on: Monday 26 June 17 06:22 BST (UK) »
10 May 1887
Marriage of Thomas MCDONALD at St Marys RC, St Kilda, Victoria.  He was second son of Farquhar MCDONALD of Merrivale near Merriwa. 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18890400 Maitland Mercury 11 June 1887.

27 Sept 1910
Marriage of Alexander MCDONALD, at St Marys Cathedral, (which I would expect is the RC cathedral in Sydney, and the NSW BDM ref #7613) fifth son of late Farquhar McDONALD of Merriwa
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15199641 SMH 28 Oct 1910.

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #74 on: Monday 26 June 17 06:37 BST (UK) »
NSW ER 1870 PATRICKS PLAINS
Alexander MCDONALD, residence, Davis Creek

(I am fairly sure that Davis Creek and Rouchell Brook share the same catchment)

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #75 on: Monday 26 June 17 06:55 BST (UK) »

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107703519 
Muswellbrook Chronicle 4 Mar1903.
Mary, fifth daughter of late John MCDONALD marries Albert Richard BROOKS

… mentions sibling and niece.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107533975 Muswellbrook Chronicle 26 Apr 1940
Obit for bachelor, John Alexander MCDONALD of Mt Vernon and Glen Ayr.  Aged 75 years.  Siblings mentions, including Mrs M A BROOKS.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/158998739 Scone Advocate 10 Nov 1936
Obit Mrs McPHEE, 78years, a native of Rouchel,  her parents settled there ‘just on a century since’ … many names of family members mentioned.

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #76 on: Monday 26 June 17 07:34 BST (UK) »
I think I have typed up all my jottings from the weekend searchings.

Another marriage August 1894
Margaret S MCDONALD, youngest daughter of Mrs John MCDONALD of Rouchel
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124727889 Maitland Mercury 13 Aug 1894

Probate
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/156266002 Scone Adv. 16 Dec 1898

Land
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/161601747 Scone Advocate 27 Oct 1888
Conditional leases granted Francis Finlay MCDONALD, Rouchel, 100 acres, 3 ½ d and Jane MACDONALD, Rouchel 240 acres, 3 ½ d

Sands 1897 Pastoral directory of NSW and in the 1900 directory too
Jane MCDONALD, of Rouchel, in the Murrundi Stock District.

Sands 1903 Pastoral directory
MURRUNDI STOCK DISTRICT
J A McDONALD, Glendyne, Rouchel   11 horses, 150 cattle   595 sheep.

Sands 1905 Pastoral
J A McDONALD, Rouchel   4 horses, 100 cattle, no sheep.

City of Sydney Archives have the free to search Sands directories.   :)
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory


ADD My apologies if I am duplicating others sightings. 

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #77 on: Monday 26 June 17 10:34 BST (UK) »
Hi all.

A few of you are asking for more detailed descriptions, I don't have much but in this post I will type out what I do know. (These are quoted from documents I have received)

From the NSW Archives I have:

"Findlay and Catherine MacDonald arrived in Sydney on the 27th of July 1839 aboard the "Heber"."

"Findlay MacDonald, native of Inverness-shire; son of Ferchan MacDonald, labourer, of the same place, and of Mary McIlwraith; shepherd (calling", age given as 40."

"Catherine MacDonald, native of Inverness-shire; daughter of Alex McDonald, labourer, of the same place, house servant (calling); 36 (age)."

"Sons: Ferchan (18), John (15)
Daughters: Nancy (16), Margaret (14) and Catherine (8 )."

From the next source I have:

Finlay McDonald
b. 1796 Scotland
d. 29.11.1866 Rouchel aged 70
arrived NSW 27.7.1839

Catherine McDonald
b.1809 Scotland
d. 19.11.1868 aged 59 years

The only children this chart mentions is Catherine McDonald, born in Beauly, Scotland in 1832, who married Donald William McLean at Stewart's Brook on the 13th of December 1855, and who died at Inverell on the 14th of October 1907. It also lists their 7 children; Hector Neil, Dugald John, Francis John, William Pender, Neil Finlay, Susan Catherine and Archibald Alexander, all of the surname McLean.

The other child of Finlay and Catherine that the chart I have mentions is John McDonald, born in 1824 and died at Rouchel in 1876. He married Jane Cameron, daughter of Alexander and Lucy, at Stewart's Brook in 1856. In the chart it states that there is other issue known of John and Jane, however it only mentions one Catherine McDonald who married William George McMullin, son of John McMullin and Mary Gardner.

A final source that I have is an email from someone who I am not in contact with, but who has done some research on the McDonald side. He says that someone "told me where to locate the roadside grave of Catherine McDonald's parents." (being Findlay and Catherine) He also said that"there was mention that it was believed Findlay put his age down due to an age limit on Bounty Immigrants. Also, the family went to Kayuga (from memory), but must have been at Ellerston later."

I'm not sure if that is going to help with anything, but I guess it's better to be detailed.

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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #78 on: Monday 26 June 17 12:20 BST (UK) »

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107703519 
Muswellbrook Chronicle 4 Mar1903.
Mary, fifth daughter of late John MCDONALD marries Albert Richard BROOKS

… mentions sibling and niece.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107533975 Muswellbrook Chronicle 26 Apr 1940
Obit for bachelor, John Alexander MCDONALD of Mt Vernon and Glen Ayr.  Aged 75 years.  Siblings mentions, including Mrs M A BROOKS.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/158998739 Scone Advocate 10 Nov 1936
Obit Mrs McPHEE, 78years, a native of Rouchel,  her parents settled there ‘just on a century since’ … many names of family members mentioned.

JM

Also quickly just wanted to say thank you to everyone for all of your help!

I have this obituary, found at this link:http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31387646?searchTerm=%22john%20mcdonald%22&searchLimits=dateFrom=1839-01-01|||dateTo=1910-12-31|||l-advstate=New+South+Wales

It states that " MR. JOHN MCDONALD
DECEASED.
YESTERDAY morning at about 10 o'clock,
at his residence, Urayarra, after about
six months of illness from complications
arising from weakness of heart and
dropsical swelling, Mr. John McDonald,
whose name has been associated with
the far-famed Urayarra station proper-
ties, breathed his last. He was one of
the oldest, most enterprising, and best-
known men of the trans-Murrumbidgee
portion of the Queanbeyan district; and
one of several brothers who arrived in
New South Wales nearly 70 years ago
with their parents from Inverness
shire, Scotland. The deceased gentle
man had reached the ripe old age of 79
years, and leaves a widow and several
sons and daughters. Two of his sons,
A. J. and M. M. McDonald, have for
some few years past-taken over the
Urayarra property ; while another son,
William, owns the neighbouring estate
of Mountain View; and another, John
A. McDonald, is engaged in the wool
trade. The funeral takes place to-
morrow at Canberra, at 3 p.m.
The Sandy,Creek Estate, in the
Wagga district which has been sub-
divided for closer settlement, was
offered at auction on Tuesday. Eleven
blocks, aggregating 6713 acres, were
sold, realising £34,255, an average of
about £5 2s an acre."

However, this is in 1908, when supposedly his death in the chart I have is 1868. It mentions his sons as a William, a John A. (possibly the John Alexander we have been talking about), an A. J and an M.M. It also mentions him coming over from Inverness with his parents almost 70 years ago, which doing the math (1908-1939) is 69 years. It also mentions him being around 79 years, which means he would have been 10 on arrival in Aus.

This is probably just a massive coincidence but it has made me double check a few times.
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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #79 on: Monday 26 June 17 13:42 BST (UK) »
Following on from Muss's clue about the address for John McDonald ....  Clearance sale for the late John McDONALD "Mt Vernon", Rouchel Brook in 1940!  Possibly a son.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158978482

NSW BDM death
1940 John Alexander McDONALD, father John, mother Jane at Musswell Brook reg 6974/1940

Obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158978364 and a longer obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article107534598 which gives his siblings and more info.   

Do you know about his siblings EB?
adding :"one brother and three sisters now survive, namely, Mr.Frank McDonald ("Bon Accord," Upper Rouchel) and Mesdamcs A. R.Brooks (Baerami); M. S. Armstrong(Upper Rouchel), and T. Page (Tamworth)"


Ros

adding : Interesting snippet about the McDonald's of Rouchel Brook rescuing the Singer sewing machine rep and a boy from drowning at McDonald's crossing when their trap overturned in 1899.
Heading : A Perilous Adventure http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article126336805

In reply to #Reply 36, I do now know of the other children belonging to Jane and John.

In no particular order, from the pieces of evidence gathered it is assumed that the children are;

Francis Finlay McDonald, d.1958 m. Dorothy
Margaret S, m. William? Armstrong
John Alexander d.1940 (bachelor)
Mary, m. Albert Brooks
Catherine, m. William George McMullin
and possibly Marian, m. John Ebbs
as well as a Miss J McDonald, who married Thomas Page of Tamworth.

Addition: Miss J McDonald is found to be Jane (which was probably predictable enough). This was found through the obits of Thomas and Jane Page.
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Re: MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW
« Reply #80 on: Monday 26 June 17 14:22 BST (UK) »
An online tree has Mary as marrying Donald in 1846 at age 16. It also states that she was one of 8 children.

Jamjar


Hi

  Death of a Mary McNeven 12207/1914 father Finlay mother  Catherine   Armidale
  There is also a Probate  date of death 04/08/1914

Muss

I do not know how reliable this is, as I do not have a MyHeritage subscription (will be working on getting one, though), but this is the info I have pulled from a quick search. Perhaps there may be something here? It mentions Mary McNeven and also another sibling that I had not seen before, Alexander McDonald.

Ferchan (Francis) Jnr. McDonald, 1821 - 1889
Ferchan (Francis) Jnr. McDonald was born in 1821, to Finlay McDonald and Catherine McDonald (born Fraser).
Finlay was born in 1796, in Inverness, Scotland.
Catherine was born in 1803, in Inverness, Scotland.
Ferchan had 7 siblings: Mary A. McNeven (born McDonald), Alexander McDonald and 5 other siblings.
Ferchan passed away of cause of death on month day 1889, at age 68 at death place.
He was buried at burial place.

Ferchan (Francis) Jnr. McDonald, 1821 - 1889
Ferchan (Francis) Jnr. McDonald was born in 1821, to Finlay McDonald and Catherine McDonald (born Fraser).
Finlay was born in 1796, in Inverness, Scotland.
Catherine was born in 1803, in Inverness, Scotland.
Ferchan had 5 siblings: Alexander McDonald, Margaret McDonald and 3 other siblings.
Ferchan passed away of cause of death on month day 1889, at age 68 at death place.
He was buried at burial place.
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