James Burns, Newcastle

[flower fairy]

I have been doing family history for over 20 years now and keep coming back to this side of the family but have hit such a huge brick wall, I thought I would try here.

    James Burns, DOB and place unknown, married Mary ? and had my 3x gg, Susan/Susannah  in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1819 and then a son James in 1821. His occupation went from engine man to weaver. This is all I know about him. I don't know where he was born, even the country but I have a suspicion he came from Scotland or even Ireland. I can't find him on any record or census so assume he had died by 1841. His daughter is a servant in Quayside in 1841 before marrying in June of that year.

    Hi son James also seems to have vanished. There is a marriage of a James Burns to Mary Lumsdon in Ponteland  in 1813 but not sure if this is mine. I can't find any children from this marriage.

    How can I find anymore about him, (if at all I can). The trail has gone completely cold with him.

       

[Radcliff]

no clues on the marriage record either I see
as the witness were both Dodd's and they seem to be present at a lot of marriages in Ponteland
24h Jan 1813,both of this parish
if this is your James there seems a big gap until their first child is born

[flower fairy]

Thank you for your reply. I really don't think it is this marriage as like you say there is a long gap between the marriage and Susan's birth. I don't even know if she is the 1st born, no clue on baptism and as far as I can see only her and William are from the marriage. This is why I think maybe they were married elsewhere.
   
   I do hate hitting brick walls and this one is enormous.

[Radcliff]

what church were the children baptised in please save me searching

[flower fairy]

They were both baptised in Newcastle St Nicholas.

Thank you.

[emeltom]

Don't know for sure that this is the same James Burns born 1821 but in 1841 Census there is a James Burns born 1821, a Tanner's Apprentice living in St Andrews, Newcastle
Ref HO107/847/3/F25
The same chap, born 1822 appears in 1851, a Tanner by trade, with wife Margaret and family.
Ref HO107/2406/F284/p17

Marriage
James Burns/Margaret Forbes Dec 1843 Newcastle Upon Tyne 25 339.

Emeltom

[Radcliff]

I was just looking at the same family Emeltom was and their daughter Jane Thompson Burns birth s registered Newcastle Upon Tyne mother Forbes 1858
so worth researching as a possible connection


marriage Newcastle Upon Tyne,
December 1843
James Burns and Margaret Forbes

Looks like his wife Margaret  died in Canada aged 84,17/12/1938 maiden name Forbes birth date 16th April,Husband James Burns origin England 

[emeltom]

That can't be his wife who died in Canada in 1938 aged 84 as that puts her birth year at 1854, eleven years after the 1843 marriage and 4 years before the daughter's birth.

Emeltom

[Radcliff]

Bad maths from me there Emeltom