larkspur - YES, you have got it.......I do remember now, all come back to me, his family were never discussed that much, was more familiar with Grandmother's siblings, they were always around, but with him being the youngest, most of them would probably have died before I came along - Can remember being told of the 3 sets of twins that my Great Grandmother had.........this is definitely the right family, I also remember the funny names they had especially Gershom, also the twins Annie and Elsie who were spinsters, (school teachers) - Ada who I met once when I was a small child, she was very deaf and married to a Methodist Minister, Rev Towle, they lived at Attenborough, deafness ran in the family..... I am sure my grandfather Arthur was the youngest....... He was obviously born in 1887 and not 1886 as I thought........ also I think his mother, Eliza's family owned a Factory in Hucknall called Bucks, it was there when I was child growing up in Hucknall in the 1950/60's......My grandfather, Arthur, must have been in service around Worksop when he met my grandmother, that is why he possibly married there and as he was the youngest, maybe his parent's were to old to attend the wedding or deceased...... Many thanks to you - Libralady (Lynn)