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Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« on: Saturday 29 July 17 07:11 BST (UK) »
Hello to all

I have an 1634 indenture of a conveyance of land with 'comon of Pasture, turbery and feeding'.

Wouldn't the pasture be for feeding or would feeding refer to other forms of fodder, such as holly?

I think there were holly trees on the wastes of Saddleworth which is good fodder for sheep.

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Karen
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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 July 17 08:53 BST (UK) »
Common of Pature is the right to pasture cattle on common land, pasture means to feed livestock by letting them graze on pasture. Common of Turbary is the right to dig on common land for peat or turf for fuel

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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 July 17 11:19 BST (UK) »
Hello Stan

Sorry Stan but I'm still confused. If he had common of pasture wouldn't that be feeding?

So why does my fellow gets common of pasture and feeding and the other on the indenture only gets the common of pasture?
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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 July 17 11:59 BST (UK) »
It may have been that of the group who had access to the common for pasture only certain indiiviuals had  the right to harvest any feed crop that grew there.

Such has here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Meadow,_Cricklade
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  WILSON;-Wiltshire.
 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
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YOUNG-Berkshire
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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 July 17 12:17 BST (UK) »
An obsolete meaning of Feeding is  Grazing-ground or pasture land.
e.g from the OED 1669   J. Worlidge Systema Agriculturæ (1681) 31   The Spring and Autumn feeding, whereon six or eight Cattle usually grazed.

I can't see any difference between "common of pasture and feeding" and "common of pasture"

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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 July 17 12:20 BST (UK) »
 In certain cases land may be managed by individuals for part of the year (for hay or arable) and then grazed in common for the rest, or during periods of fallow.
The right of turbary – the ability to cut peat as fuel
Pasture - grazing rights
Feeding - right to grow, so haylage for winter feed
Estovers - the ability to take limbs of timber for minor works to buildings, for making farm implements and hurdles, and as deadwood for fuel, or to take bracken and heather for bedding.
Pannage - graze pigs on acorns or beechmast in woodlands in autumn
Common in the Soil - rights to extract minerals such as snads, gravels, marl, walling stone and lime from common land.
Piscary - right to take fish

There are also some rights such as  to snare wild animals, take eggs, harvest shell fish and right to dig clay (‘common of marl’)
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Difference between Common of Pasture and Common of Feeding?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 July 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
Hi iluleah, Stan and Youngtug

Thank you for your help.

Warm regards
Karen
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