James Traynor/Trainer Glasgow - Is this his death?

[SquireofHistory]

Hi All,

I'm a bit stuck on James Trainer:
I know he was a labourer in Glasgow, and from Ireland. I have found a death of a James Trainer, 50 years old, on 4th Jan 1857, at 8 Low Green Street, Glasgow. Unfortunately, it just says 'married' but not who to. He is buried at Dalbeth Cemetery.
I know he died between 1852-61. As his wife is described as widow in 1861. At that point, his Daughter Elizabeth (1837) is married to James Quigley, Tallow Chandler - James (1852), John (1842), and Helen (c.1801), James Sr's two sons and wife are living with them at 59 Saltmarket Street.

Is this death my James? Looking at old maps, Low Green Street (now Turnbull Street) and Saltmarket street are incredibly close to each other, with closes between them. And looking at the valuation rolls, 8 low green street seems to just be a store and yard.

Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks

[MonicaL]

Harder to be more certain unless you can check in person the VRs for those years 1855-57. Unfortunately, for a couple of years in the late mid 1850s, the deceased showed simply as single or married 

Who was the informant? Was the family RC?

The 1855 VRs show a James Trainer at both

HOUSE 115 SALTMARKET STREET, and
HOUSE 78 SALTMARKET STREET

Other entries too, just noted the Saltmarket Street ones as you have family there in the 1861 census.

Monica

[SquireofHistory]

Hi Monica,

Thanks for your reply. What do you mean by 'check in person'. I can look on scotlandspeople?

The informant was a Hugh McDermid or McDonald, Tarbet (I assume it means Tarbet Street). Brother-in-Law. I believe the family were R.C.

Thanks for the VRs. Unfortunately, I think there were a few Trainer families at Saltmarket then, and a James Trainer ran a lodging house there.

Thanks

[MonicaL]

Scotlands People are slowly adding digitised images of the VRs online. To search other years inbetween you would have to check in person at one of the main libraries that hold the VRs for the Glasgow area (such as the Mitchell Library).

What parents were given for him the informant? Have you tried to check who Hugh McDermid or McDonald was married to (hopefully a Trainer wife rather than on James' wife side!)?

Monica

[SquireofHistory]

Oh right, I didn't realise the VRs existed for the years in between, I thought it was like census rules
I may have to check the Mitchell Library.

The parents given are Anthony Trainer, farmer, (deceased) and Grace Trainer m.s. McFadyen (deceased).

Joe

[MonicaL]

Is this the family lodging at the Monaghan household (without James Snr) in 1851, everyone born in Ireland?

Helen Trainer 43
Ann Trainer 21
Elizabeth Trainer 16
John Trainer 11
James Trainer 2

Address: 5 Dobbies Loan, Glasgow

What was Helen's maiden name? There are two RC births or christenings showing on SP in the Glasgow area with father James and mother Helen:

Michael 1852 - mother's maiden name indexed as Franer
William John 1854 - mother's maiden name indexed as Fullen

Monica

[SquireofHistory]

This seems very much like them!
The 1861 census says:
Elizabeth 24
John 20
James 12
Helen/Ellen 60

Helen's maiden name was McGuigan.

If the 1851 is them, this means that there was another daughter, Ann, who I had no knowledge of until now 

Thank you

[MonicaL]

From FreeCen, that 1851 census entry shows Helen as married. You mentioned 1852 earlier. Was there an event then that makes you think James died after that year?

Monica

[SquireofHistory]

Brilliant. Not checked out freeCen before.

I thought James Jr. was born in 1852, from his age at death, However, the 1861 census shows him as 12, which I feel is more likely to be correct.