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« on: Thursday 10 August 17 16:41 BST (UK) »
Has anyone used the site www1.nyc.gov/dorforms/marriagecert.htm as directed from Ancestryy? It gives that my relative Minnie Trepess married Manhattan 14/2/1900 but no spouse name is given, and the site's form has groom's name as a required field. Even if I was successful without it, would my application reveal who she married? (It's a steep $22 which is a lot for a possible dud!)

I'm sure it's the same one as my Minnie Mary Trepess born 1865 Leamington. Apart from the rarity of the surname, she is surely the one who arrives Boston in 1890, Waitress, mistranscribed Millie. She was probably on her way to stay with her brother Samuel James Trepess who arrived 1885 Boston and who is found on the 1900 and subsequently at Oyster Bay, Long Island. (BMDs in short supply for his family - but they're in NY State, not City. His eldest known child Ruth was born Brookline, Mass 1894, daughter of his 1st wife Eleanor Penny).

Searching NYC marriages there in general finds that almost all have both parties' names, but a few are isolates like Minnie. I tried looking for any Minnie born England about the right age in the NY area on censuses, but there are rather a lot of those, and all have arrival years quite different from my Minnie's 1890, so I'm stuck.

Mods feel free to move this to US board but I thought I'd try it here first.
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Re: New York City Dept of Records
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:10 BST (UK) »
family search show - spouse Julius Leannen

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:244Y-K4N

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Re: New York City Dept of Records
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:15 BST (UK) »
1900 E 122nd Street Manhattan - slight mis transcription  ::)

Lebius Linen   25
Minnie Linen   29 Born England. Imm 1890 - Married - No Children

1910 One Hundred And Second Street Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York.

Julius Leinen   36 Born Germany. Imm 1896. Waiter - Restaurant
Minnie Leinen   40 Born England Imm 1890. Janitor. 2 children
Elinore Leinen   9 Born NY
Peter Leinen   7 Born NY.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:16 BST (UK) »
family search show - spouse Julius Leannen

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:244Y-K4N

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Wow, that's great! Why didn't I think of that. Thanks very much!

There's a problem that my Minnie is 5 years older than this and not born London, but we know that women older than their spouses tend to understate their ages. Her parents are exactly right. Looking for this couple in 1900 and subsequently should clear this up.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:17 BST (UK) »
1900 E 122nd Street Manhattan - slight mis transcription  ::)

Lebius Linen   25
Minnie Linen   29 Born England. Imm 1890 - Married - No Children

1910 One Hundred And Second Street Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York.

Julius Leinen   36 Born Germany. Imm 1896. Waiter - Restaurant
Minnie Leinen   40 Born England Imm 1890. Janitor. 2 children
Elinore Leinen   9 Born NY
Peter Leinen   7 Born NY.

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Thanks again
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:19 BST (UK) »
1920  Third Avenue Manhattan Assembly District 18, New York, New York.

Julius Leiner   47 Born Germany. Imm 1895. Papers submitted. Waiter - Restaurant.
Minnie Leiner   50 Born England.
Elenore Leiner   19 Tele Operator.
Peter Leiner   17 Helper Laboratory,

1930 Broadway Terrace Broadway Terrace

Peter Leinen   27 Born NY. Age 24 at marriage. Inspector - Subway.
Lillian Leinen   22 Born NY 1908. Nurse. Dentist Office.
Minnie Leinen   59 Born England. Widowed.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:20 BST (UK) »
1940 W 186 Street New York

James Black   44
Julia Black   42
Inene Black   15
William Black   13
Minnie Leinen   69 Born England. Widowed. Boarder. NA.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:25 BST (UK) »
Julius Leinen 28 December 1874 - Saarluis, Germany - arrived New York 3 Dec 1897 - spouse Minnie -
Minnie born 24 November 1869 - GB

Minnie passed away 19 August 1942 - Manhattan New York. Address 561 West 156th
Parents James Prepass and mother Mary Jones.
Spouse Julius.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WRY-177

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 August 17 17:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all of these, Sandra.

I see now why I couldn't find Minnie on any census - I was looking for one born 1865. This one's immigration year is exactly right - and her former profession of Waitress matches her husband's - perhaps that's how they met.

Against that, this one is consistently claiming to be born circa 1870. But I don't see who else she could be. Maybe this fiction started at her marriage and was continued. I'm reminded of the (interminable) thread about Emily Clarke of Rugby who lied twice about her age when committing bigamy, but gave all other details exactly.

her father was indeed James Trepess but her mother was born Mary Skelcy and first married Samuel Brooks who died. Maybe nobody knew.
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