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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 19 August 17 12:19 BST (UK) »
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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 19 August 17 13:42 BST (UK) »
I have 6% autosomal DNA from Southern Europe (Italy and Greece), I think it might be from the Roman period but there's no definitive way of proving that.


The vast Ottoman Empire (Turks) succeeded from the Roman Empire and ruled for a few hundred years, maybe there was a general exodus northward before the fighting began? 

P.S.  Have just found a few more "movement of people" maps - Can't believe how much of Europe King Henry "owned".

http://historyofenglishpodcast.com/maps/

I can't find the webpage  now but there's a map of the movement of the various Crusades to the Holy Land and i think it could also be possible for ancient ancestry dna to have joined a crusade on its journey to Jerusalem and then returned with the main body of the crusaders.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 19 August 17 15:52 BST (UK) »
Won't the DNA results be corrupted by the natural movement of peoples post the last ice-age?

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Malky


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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #49 on: Saturday 19 August 17 19:43 BST (UK) »
Just found this fascinating. Read P1 but time calls tonight. First comments.1) I think it unlikely that Caesar's expeditions of 55-54BC would contribute much if anything to the gene pool, commercial contacts during this period at Chichester and Poole much more likely to.
2) A later historian based in Eboracum (York) refers to "the children with their Spanish faces----"; surely a reference to the XIV Hispania Legion being stationed there.
Hope to comment further when I read the next 5 pages.
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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 20 August 17 00:17 BST (UK) »
Thanks to Youngtug for the very informative links; reading these might save people much disappointment and frustration (not to mention a pound or two).

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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 20 August 17 01:53 BST (UK) »
It was reading Flattybasher9's link that lead me to look that up.
.http://www.rootschat.com/links/05q2/   
  WILSON;-Wiltshire.
 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
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YOUNG-Berkshire
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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: Roman Empire in the UK and DNA of the Roman Legions
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 20 August 17 09:46 BST (UK) »
Won't the DNA results be corrupted by the natural movement of peoples post the last ice-age?

Regards

Malky

We now know that there is evidence of villages under the North Sea which indicates that at one time Britain was attached to Scandinavia and the English Channel didn't completely cut off  our island from mainland Europe.
I've found three maps; one which shows one of the ice ages, one that has a shaded area to indicate where solid land used to be prior to the ice cap melting.   

Then there's a third image which shows how large Dogger Bank, in the North Sea, used to be last century but which is now practically hidden below sea level due to climate change.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke