Is George Whitehead a baker son of George Whitehead a baker?

[Kiwicol]

George Whitehead, a baker, (probably from Diss) and Frances Crisp (From Diss) had a son baptized at St Leonards, Shoreditch 11 Feb 1820 named George Whitehead, birth date was given as 18 April 1810, the address was George Street. But that would be where the parents were at that time, not where the son was born 10 years earlier.

In 1851 George Whitehead, a baker, born at Diss, is at 22 Henry Street, St George in the East. aged 40 this man was married 1832 at St Leonards, Shoreditch to Elizabeth Forman, from Scotland.
in 1841 they were at Red Lion Court, Christchurch, Spitalfields
In 1861 they were living at 13 Lower (Cornwall) Street, St George in the East. George 51 born in Norfolk.
1868 George died at Whitechapel, London, England.
 
In 1834 John Barber and Sophia Whitehead, (proven daughter of George Whitehead and Frances Crisp) had a daughter Phoebe Barber born at Bateman's Row, this has John Barber as a baker (he is usually a pigeon dealer at Sclater Street).
1833 and 1835 George Whitehead and Elizabeth Forman had 2 sons born at Bateman's Row.

Sheer coincidences or highly probable?

George Whitehead a baker of 56 Brick Lane, died in 1837 and his will and death duty Register do not name his children aside from his son James Whitehead, who was executor along with widow Frances. Just that after death of Frances they get equal shares.
Frances's death duty Registers help confirm her as Frances Crisp as John Barber and son James Whitehead above, are named, as is a John Berg who I can not find any familal connection to.

Thanks Colin

[louisa maud]

There is a previous post about this family ?

When did Frances die?
Did you find her on any census after her husband died?

Louisa Maud
 

[louisa maud]

This is from a previous post, does it not answer the John Berg question, he might well have been a lodger or her partner after her husband died, supposition on my part

Louisa Maud

"Just Received the record for Frances Whitehead, her Son James Whitehead, son in law John Barber and a 3rd person John Berg, an engraver, found him at same address as on the Death Duty Register.
But there seems to be absolutely no family connection to Frances Whitehead, I thought another son in law, then found his marriage, so thought grand child, then found his birth.
I would have thought that if he was on there he would have been a blood relative or in law?"

[ShaunJ]

That previous thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=739461

[Lily M]

I haven't time to follow these through just now.  But at first look it seems likely.

They seem to have used a very erratic system of baptising their children.  You probably already have these.

All at St.Leonards, Shoredith with parents George and Frances - a baker

Eliza - born 1819 - bap. 20/09/1819  Turville Street
George - born 18/04/1810 - bap.11/02/1820  George Street
Henry - born 10/07/1824 - bap.06/08/1824  George Street
Robert - born 1823 - bap.1837 George Street  -  father deceased

[Kiwicol]

A really frustrating lack of timely Baptisms
They were married in Ipswich 1807 and had Sophia there in 1808.
Somewhere they had a son James (my ancestor) executor along with mother Frances, to George.
Granted Letters of Administration when Frances died, the Death duty Register has him and Sophia's husband John Barber, and the above John Berg whoever he is. James is also a witness to John Barber's will. We assume he was the oldest son  since he handled the parents affairs.
10 years after his birth George is baptized, there could be at least 2 or 3 more children born to them.
They had another son named Robert born and baptized in 1821, so presume he died before the stated birth date of the Robert baptized in January 1837

[Kiwicol]

This past week had a strong DNA match on chromosome 5 to a man in Australia, he is a shared match also to my father and a couple of the Whitehead cousins in New Zealand on same segment, and traces his descent back to George Whitehead and Elizabeth Forman's daughter
So it looks like George the Baker was son of George Whitehead and Frances Crisp.
Be good if more of that branch test, then to see if that segment is Whitehead or Crisp in origin
Cheers Colin