panormo

[josey]

Directories on ancestry for Derbyshire
1855 he is at 28 Irongate
1857  South Parade   same address as 1851 census
1862 29 Queen Street.

So it's strange I can't find him in 1861 

[avm228]

There is a fragment of Queen St, Derby at RG9/2495/67/1 (or search for e.g. Catherine Dakin born 1842 Aston, Derbyshire).  However it doesn't include no 29 and I cannot easily see other Queen St addresses.  Derby is not supposed to be missing pieces from 1861.

[avm228]

Trying to trace more on Cecilia Panormo from 1841, in case she can lead us to William's origins.

South Eastern Gazette, 22 Oct 1839

Star Inn, Maidstone: Madame Panormo begs to announce to the Nobility and Gentry, that a concert and lecture on the art of Singing, to take place on Friday October 25th. The Concert will be aided by the celebrated first soprano Miss Julia Gould, Miss Maud and Miss Cecilia Panormo, likewise Mr Napoleon Gould guitarist, who will also perform on the concertina.

Madame Panormo gives lessons on Italian and English singing, as likewise her son Mr Napoleon W. Gould on the Guitar and Concertina. [...]

(An earlier notice, for a concert in Canterbury in February 1834, promotes the talents of Madame Panormo and "her daughter and pupil, Miss Wildman Gould, seven years old" - perhaps this is Julia.)

[avm228]

Lodging at 56 Agard St, Derby in 1861 (head of household is a Mary A. Holland):

R.B. Buckley Un 36 Musician, Lancashire
G.L. Buckley Un 33 Musician, Lancashire
F. Buckley Un 28 Musician, Lancashire
Julia Gould Wid 35 Vocalist, London <<<

RG9/2503/97/27

Contemporaneous reports describe this group as "Buckley's Serenaders with Miss Julia Gould", having apparently achieved considerable renown in New York.  Their act seems to have been one of so-called "sable minstrels" (other language regarding race/skin colour is used in the reports which I will not repeat here) though it is not clear whether this refers to their natural appearance/heritage or not.

Online searches reveal that Julia Gould had married a well-known "minstrel", John H Collins, who died in Cuba in 1860; and that her brother Napoleon W Gould b London 1819 was also a famous minstrel, emigrating to the US in 1848 and dying in New York in 1881.

[josey]

Perhaps the 1862 Queen Street directory address for William was a commercial rather than residential property?

ADDED: Might Louis & William be brothers? And might the same Cecelia have been entered on 2 census sheets in error - ie usually lived with Louis but was staying with William on the night?

[heywood]

Here they are in 1841 in Manchester; Cecilia may be a good clue to links with the musical family.

William Panormo 45 Engraver N [his details are crossed through but legible - perhaps away on census night]
William do 20 Clerk N
Ellen do 18 N
Henry do 15 N
Cecilia do 20 Professor of Music I

1841 521/43/28

Shows a William and Mary Panormo in Warrington. The ages are out a bit and his occupation looks like Engineer rather than Engraver but unusual name.

[avm228]

Perhaps the 1862 Queen Street directory address for William was a commercial rather than residential property?

Yes it may be that it was mostly a commercial street, hence so few census returns from it.

Just in case "Madame" Panormo's bit of the family turns out to be relevant, I believe she is the Elizabeth Caroline Wildman Gould for whom banns of marriage were published with Henry James Panormo at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster in December 1827.

Deaths:

Henry James Panormo, Dec qtr 1839 Medway aged 46
Caroline Gould Panormo, Jun qtr 1858 St Luke Chelsea aged 66

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ADDED: Might Louis & William be brothers? And might the same Cecelia have been entered on 2 census sheets in error - ie usually lived with Louis but was staying with William on the night?

It's all possible.  But the Cecilia in Manchester in 1841 is enumerated as born in Ireland, which is intriguing.  Francis Panormo (father of Henry James, who married "Madame") appears from online searches to have spent time working in Ireland.  I am wondering whether William is from this Irish-connected branch, perhaps a brother of Henry James Panormo & son of Francis?

[josey]

I looked on rootsireland.ie index and there are no records for Panormo & variations around 1780- 1800 also nothing on irishgenealogy.ie for 1770 - 1800,l neither of these is complete however.

ADDED: However quite a few references to Panormo in Irish newspapers....so am trawling through the early ones - perhaps these are where you found reference to Francis?