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Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« on: Monday 04 September 17 19:41 BST (UK) »
While looking for the parents of a Jane SMITH, who married Thomas Sidebottom 1870 Staleybridge, Cheshire, I consulted the census, and this has me confused:
The 1861 census of Hyde, Stockport, Cheshire has a
-Alice SMITH, head, married, born 1826; and
-Jane SMITH, daughter, born 1847.  [and three other children]
These data fit well what I already knew. But:
The 1871 census for Newton, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire has
-Alice SNAPE, head, widow, born 1826; and
-Jane Sidebottom and her husband Thomas [and the same three children as in 1861.]

I then found a marriage of Alice SMITH and John Edward SNAPE, on 3 Dec 1845, in Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire.  So it seems that mother Alice in 1861 used her maiden name, and her children also had her maiden name SMITH, but in 1871 she uses the name SNAPE, but her children are still SMITH.

Any ideas what this means?

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 September 17 19:49 BST (UK) »
Marriage -

Jane Smith
1870, Parish of Stayley
Father - James Smith
Spouse - Thomas Sidebottom
Spouse Father's name -Thomas Sidebottom

With the details above it would appear that John Edward SNAPE is not the father of Jane Smith.

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 September 17 20:07 BST (UK) »
Don't think you have the correct marriage - more likely is that Alice Smith married Thomas Snape Sep quarter 1866 Stockport . In other words she was widowed twice between 1861 and 1871.

Marriage in the Parish Church of Stockport July 8 1866

Thomas Snape widower hatter Croft St Hyde Father Thomas Snape ,Hatter

Alice Smith widow George Street Hyde Father Thomas Smith, Engineer.

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 07:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Millmoor,

But given that Jane has the surname Smith when she marries Thomas Snape, and that her father's name is Smith as well, does that mean that her first marriage was to a Smith as well?

I am still a bit confused...

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 07:53 BST (UK) »
1871
144 James Street, Newton
Alice Snape   Head Widow 45 born Lancashire Astley Cotton Weaver
Richard Smith   Son 20 born Cheshire, Hyde Cotton Weaver
Robert Smith   Son 17 born Hyde Calico Stretcher at the Print works
Mary A Smith   Daughter 15 born Hyde Cotton Weaver
Thomas Sidebottom   Boarder 36 born Herod Cotton Weaver
Jane Sidebottom   Wife 24 born Hyde Cotton Weaver
RG10/4080/155/27

From Cheshirebmd
Richard Smith birth registered 1850 Hyde mother's maiden name Smith
Robert Smith birth registered 1854 Hyde mother's maiden name Smith
Mary Ann Smith birth registered 1855 Hyde mother's maiden name Smith

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 07:58 BST (UK) »
Jane Smith birth registered 1846 Hyde mother's maiden name Smith

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 08:11 BST (UK) »
1861
1 Clarendon Street,Hyde
Thomas Smith Head 71 born Lancashire Padiham Card Room Hand
Ann Smith       Wife 66 born Manchester Card Room Hand
Martha Smith   Daughter 26 born Lancashire Bedford Cotton weaver

Alice Smith   Head married 35 born Astley Cotton Weaver
Jane Smith   Daughter 14 born Hyde Cotton Weaver
Richard Smith   Son 10 born Hyde Scholar
Robert Smith   Son 7 born Hyde Scholar
Mary Ann Smith   Daughter 5 born Hyde Scholar

RG9/2557/85/21

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 08:36 BST (UK) »
Baptism: 20 Nov 1825 Ellenbrook Chapel of St Mary the Virgin, Worsley, Lancashire, England
Alice Smith - [Child] of Thomas Smith & Ann
Abode: Astley
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: W. Rigg

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Re: Confused by Alice SMITH/SNAPE
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 11:33 BST (UK) »
Could this be the 1st marriage.lancsbmd.
1845
SMITH James SMITH Alice Manchester Collegiate Church Cath/45/484

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