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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 07 September 17 12:57 BST (UK) »
Which birthcerts have you obtained, so can rule out?

What was Robert snr's occupation on his marriage to Gladys? May help find him on census.
It might also give his age.

All these points would help....
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:12 BST (UK) »
It's his mother's name that is the problem And death certificate as well. But thank you.

What is the problem with the death certificate?

NSW certs include mother's maiden name, assuming the informant knew it, of course.

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:16 BST (UK) »
Jamjar = Could be that curlytop2 is saying they have the 'death certificate as well', it's a bit ambiguous.

Curlytop2 - do you think that Newcastle was NOT mother's maiden name?. Crossed out as  wrong interpretation of death certificate info, sorry.

Hope you can answer the questions we've asked as all will help tie down the family & hopefully get more pointers & proof of mother's maiden name.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:25 BST (UK) »
Josey, ambiguous yes.

NEWCASTLE is the place of death registration. Robert lived in the area.

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:27 BST (UK) »
Whoops - my mistake  :-[
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:41 BST (UK) »
Just for interest:

Robert's funeral notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article133557457

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 September 17 13:52 BST (UK) »
And maybe for the back burner just because the name fits for Robert snr:
North Wales Chronicle 18 Feb 1888:
Robert Harold Williams, son of the late Robert E Williams solicitor Rhyl....passed final [legal] exams with honours for admission to the roll of solicitors in the Supreme Court...articled to Albert Saunders of Stocks, Saunders & Stocks, London.

This Robert Harold presumably born ca 1863  ??? I don't know how long legal training took then.


Ah no, I found this RHW in 1901 unmarried solicitor & 1911 married solicitor both in London.

ADDED: Another try for the back burner  ;D
R. Harold Williams aged 16 grandson RG11; Piece: 5526; Folio: 34; Page: 1
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 September 17 14:06 BST (UK) »
Robert Jnr was a miner, so possible father was also.

I wonder if you find Mary Thomas his wife on a census, Robert might be nearby. Mary's brother was William Thomas. He and Robert are buried together.

William Thomas born 1900.

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Mother's surname for Robert Harold Williams junior b1894 Cardiff area
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 September 17 14:16 BST (UK) »
In 1917 Pontypridd, RH senior married his second wife Gladys Jenkins b abt 1896 , a friend of my grandmother's and the same age , causing a little family friction . They had 2 children Roy b1920 and Melba b1924 , both born in Pontrpridd .

If Melba died unmarried prior to 1991 (and so included on the 1939 Register) then you will find her and Gladys together using the free search.

Gladys C C    Williams    1898    Rhondda U.D.    Glamorganshire
Melba E    Williams    1924    Rhondda U.D.    Glamorganshire

Gladys may have been Gladys Cecilia C JENKINS born 1898 Pontypridd.

Debra  :)