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Village name?
« on: Wednesday 13 September 17 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hiya. Can anyone please help me to decipher the village name underneath Farmer. The page is from the baptisms in Kippen, Stirlingshire Scotland.  John Johnston was a farmer from ??  This would really help as I can't find john or Agnes Cunningham anywhere in stirlingshire or perthshire.  Thanks
Aldridge - Chesham Bois & Hawridge BUCKS, Marylebone MDX;   Brailey - MDX
Hedges-Heath & Reach BEDS
Bell, Haugh - Dalton, Dumfries, SCT;  Murray - Ruthwell, Dumfries  "Bellridden";   Carlyle - Brydekirk, Limekilns;  McNeil - Hoddom
Greig - Pathhead, SCT
Kenworthy - Saddleworth
Byers - Bolton, Westmoreland
Sutton - Stockport, Farnborough, Banbury
Buswell - The Bartons, Oxfordshire ; Stevens - Bicester

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 16:58 BST (UK) »
Can't find anything here:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14&lat=56.1286&lon=-4.1857&layers=1&b=1 [6 inch]
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.1274&lon=-4.1759&layers=168&b=1 [25 inch]

Starts with what looks like 'Dam' & seems to end in 'train'  ???

ADDED: This baptism is 1824. Where are any of this trio living in the 1841 census? To help find them on the censuses, do you know if the son was known as Johnston or Cunningham? Did Agnes marry John Johnston or A N Other after 1824? John jnr may have changed his name to a step father's.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:07 BST (UK) »
Scotlands People have only 1 result on the free index for 1841 & 1851 entries for a John Johnston in Kippen. You would need to buy credits to view.  These might give his abode. It placename may not be an village but a croft or farm.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:16 BST (UK) »
Good evening,

Why would it be a place name, surely that is the occupation column. You have farmer above the entry you are looking at and maltster below.  Therefore you must be looking at his occupation.

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:21 BST (UK) »
Sorry to disagree, but I think the column, for each couple, has the father's occupation then underneath it the abode. Under 'Maltster' is Kippen, then again under the next entry 'Wright, Kippen'.
The father in the first 3 couples is in each case a farmer from the same area of abode, hence the dittos.   
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:32 BST (UK) »
This couple are elusive. Agnes dissapears all together.  John snr also disappears. There is no recorded marriage for agnes and john.  John jnr lives with his maternal g parents in kippen/fintry until he goes to glasgow and marries there. The kippen 1841 is my john johnston jnr who was born in 1813 but bapt 1826
Aldridge - Chesham Bois & Hawridge BUCKS, Marylebone MDX;   Brailey - MDX
Hedges-Heath & Reach BEDS
Bell, Haugh - Dalton, Dumfries, SCT;  Murray - Ruthwell, Dumfries  "Bellridden";   Carlyle - Brydekirk, Limekilns;  McNeil - Hoddom
Greig - Pathhead, SCT
Kenworthy - Saddleworth
Byers - Bolton, Westmoreland
Sutton - Stockport, Farnborough, Banbury
Buswell - The Bartons, Oxfordshire ; Stevens - Bicester

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:34 BST (UK) »
I agree Josey. I have had a look at the OS name books on ScotlandsPlaces for Kippen and there are no place names which match any part of the name - Dam..., Dan..., ...train. As the child was "born in fornication" it is possible that John Johnston lived in an adjacent parish and the mother was the one who was resident in Kippen parish.

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 September 17 18:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks carlineric.  Do you think the word is Dumfries or is that too far away?
Aldridge - Chesham Bois & Hawridge BUCKS, Marylebone MDX;   Brailey - MDX
Hedges-Heath & Reach BEDS
Bell, Haugh - Dalton, Dumfries, SCT;  Murray - Ruthwell, Dumfries  "Bellridden";   Carlyle - Brydekirk, Limekilns;  McNeil - Hoddom
Greig - Pathhead, SCT
Kenworthy - Saddleworth
Byers - Bolton, Westmoreland
Sutton - Stockport, Farnborough, Banbury
Buswell - The Bartons, Oxfordshire ; Stevens - Bicester

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Re: Village name?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 September 17 02:58 BST (UK) »
Is it possibly Deanston, badly spelt ?

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