How do I obtain an Irish Army birth certificate?

[hallmark]

Another Thomas with Kay witness
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[hallmark]

December 1885 in Dublin I can’t make out the district I think it starts Wich.
I am 99% sure that Mary Bachelor is not my Mary because I tried that avenue before and it wasn’t her.

Are you sure you got the year right??

Is December 1888 the Marriage you say was in 1885??

[Redmoore]

Yes sorry it is 1888. I have 1885 stuck in my head for sone reason

[hallmark]

Yes sorry it is 1888. I have 1885 stuck in my head for sone reason

Always good to include a link to records one is talking about.....

[heywood]

Are there any father's details on Joseph's marriage certificate?

[Redmoore]

I have not got a copy of the certificate. Maybe I should order it. I just don’t know if it would have any different information than on Mary’s death certificate as Joseph was the informant.

[heywood]

Does her death certificate give name and occupation of her husband?

If her husband died when Joseph was very young, he might not know enough information for the death certificate.

I can't see an obvious birth for your Joseph Redding, Dublin. His army record shows 'West Mead, in the county of Dublin' 

Elsewhere in the army record, place of birth is West Meath but still County Dublin. Westmeath is a county.

Elizabeth Moore Southern shows her birth as Dublin so if she and Mary were sisters,  then the family presumably moved to Dublin in the intervening years. Elizabeth Moore should be in the birth indexes.

Perhaps, if the father was in the military, that could be the explanation but Mary's year of birth shows as later than 1855 which you first mention.

[Redmoore]

I just wanted to say that talking this through with you is extremely helpful. Thank you so much.

You querying Mary’s year of birth made me look at her death certificate. She is listed as being 53 in 1914 which would make her year of birth 1861 not 1855. I think that I may have got her birth year off a census originally. On her death certificate under occupation it says Widow of Joseph Redding Land Steward.

[heywood]

Thanks - and now you mention Land Steward I might have read that in the thread - sorry.

The army record makes sad reading- I just read it through today.

I'm glad it's a help to go through all this.  There are some stumbling blocks.

I suppose Land Steward and Gardener could be linked.

There are a few years between Mary and Elizabeth and different birth places. If they are sisters, their mother could have remarried - who knows.

We are not allowed to post details of 1911 apart from the index - here she is from FS

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYX-YZ4

Her birthplace is transcribed as 'Atky', Queens County. I quite favour this as 'Abby' perhaps for Abbeyleix.

You said you had gone down the Mary Bachelor marriage route - did you get the certificate?
I understand that you wouldn't particularly want it without better evidence.
It is strange that there is no birth showing yet for Joseph - frustrating