Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross

[Cocoa Fairy]

The Blundells were at 20 Connaught Road in 1911 census!!!

[littlesis 76]

Hi Louisa, Thank you for again spending the time to look great detective work as usual
.I wrote the yr wrong on the marriage previously there was only one and that was  in 1913.The one we have .

Martina lived at 52 ,Messina until I think around 1902 going from the children's school records They then moved from Gladys Road were they are in 1911 and again in the 1920s according to electric roll.It could be she knew the Blundells through the house and stayed in contact or they are in some way related .Will go and try and find out more about them and see what Matilda' s maiden name was .
I have spent a few hrs chasing a John James Morris this afternoon but no leads
Looking at the census am struggling to find any that were frame makers

[louisa maud]

Matilda's maiden name WOODWARD, don't know if it fits in anywhere but they married in Lambeth I believe

LM

[louisa maud]

If you go back to
No 16, Florence Chapman mentioned
Wasn't there a Chapman as a witness, can't see it properly on my  iPad, doesn't seem to zoom onto the recent marriage cert

Louisa Maud

[littlesis 76]

The Chapman came from Florence Shave school record,she was listed as a Chapman as well. But the lady who traced the Shaves had letters from Florence in her 30s to older brother and although they were all spilt up after the death of their father it seems from the letters they all stayed in contact but no mention of Martina.Also she has a poor law removal record and it listed all the children ,Martina was not on that either.
I do believe the Shaves registered Martina at birth but she was wasn't their child and belonged to Martina and Benedict.
I have now managed to get my laptop back from a friend as spent all day looking on my phone so now going to look at this Blundell family and the see if the W J Chapman is anyone of interest.
If you are interested the lady sent me life stories including records,letters and photos .But they are only of Harriett and 2 of her children and think including the Shaves may make it more confusing ....well not that it isn't already 

[littlesis 76]

I have looked at Edward and Matilda and apart from they lived at 52,Messina Av on 1891 and 1901 census where Martina lived with the 3 girls ,I cannot see how the families are related. I have looked at Edward and Matilda's siblings too as well as parents and grandparents.
( I think I would of cried if Matilda's sister married a Morris lol)
The photo of Edward doesn't look like the man I have labelled as Grandfather.
Shame the marriage cert only has initials for first names as WJ Chapman doesn't give you much to go on.

[louisa maud]

On ER'S, Gladys Road
Just checked on a few,

1918
Maria Pressland
Edwin Ernest Rudd
Martina
no Benedict

1919 Maria Pressland,
 Martina Ross
 Ernest Rudd
no Benedict

1921
Benedict John
Martine
Ernest E  Rudd

1930
Martina,
Benedict
and family by name of Toomey

Wonder if the extra names are lodgers

The plot certainly deepens

LM

ERNEST RUDD  sometimes shown as Edwin

[louisa maud]

Marie Pressland is no relation, her maiden name was Adams, another ruled out

Mary Jane Adams married William Pressland 1883, they had  quite a few children but on 1901 she is a widow and shown as Marie, I believe she is the same person as Mary Jane

I suppose what you need to know is, who lived or owned 18 Gladys Road before Martina and Benedict moved in

LM

[louisa maud]

I don't think this has been mentioned here so far

School records
St Augustine school
St Thomas CARBUR
born 25/12/1878
father Benedict
address 5 Hall Place Paddington

Marylebone St James
Winifred CARBUR
born 25/10/1880
all details as above but also states her last school was a convent school

Cambell St School
Benedict J CAUBUR
born 01/01/1882
ad to school 27/10/1888
last school St Augustine

Why use the name CARBUR?

Louisa Maud

this family must have been neighbours of my grandparents