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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #81 on: Friday 01 December 17 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Mary Louisa KEENAN b Jun 20 Camden Fort, Kinsale District is the latest birth I can find for
James KEENAN and Anne SOMERS/SUMMERS LINK
She was baptised in Carrigaline on Jun 20 1871

There was also a sister Rachel it seems who married in 1871 LINK

This would imply that James KEENAN died between 1871 and 1881 but I daren't hazard a guess where!!
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #82 on: Friday 01 December 17 14:38 GMT (UK) »
I am somewhat relieved to see the two of you, Sinamm and myluck, struggling with the who, when, where. You do this all the time so it is reassuring for a greenhorn like I.

I am very appreciative of you both.
Tim McGuinness (no Allison :o ;D)

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #83 on: Saturday 02 December 17 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Sinann;
About Rosetown Cottage.
Is that the name of the actual, singular property they would have occupied or, a larger general area of properties?
Does having a name indicate status or did all properties carry names back then?
Being at auction in 1914 indicates a tax default, correct?
Is it likely to still be intact?
Would there be a civic address which I can pinpoint on a map and satellite view?

Great find, by the way.
The usual humble “thank you” from me.

Edit;
This?
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Rosetown+Cottage,+Rosetown,+Newbridge,+Co.+Kildare,+Ireland/@53.1595746,-6.7636889,233a,35y,39.44t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x486780672cedc64f:0xcb6f8739b5f2d9c3!8m2!3d53.1611982!4d-6.7623568?hl=en

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #84 on: Saturday 02 December 17 16:55 GMT (UK) »
Sinann;
About Rosetown Cottage.
Is that the name of the actual, singular property they would have occupied or, a larger general area of properties?
Does having a name indicate status or did all properties carry names back then?
Being at auction in 1914 indicates a tax default, correct?
Is it likely to still be intact?
Would there be a civic address which I can pinpoint on a map and satellite view?

Great find, by the way.
The usual humble “thank you” from me.

Edit;
This?
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Rosetown+Cottage,+Rosetown,+Newbridge,+Co.+Kildare,+Ireland/@53.1595746,-6.7636889,233a,35y,39.44t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x486780672cedc64f:0xcb6f8739b5f2d9c3!8m2!3d53.1611982!4d-6.7623568?hl=en

That link is to the house called Rosetown Cottage, it's a single property. The house and building returns for 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002584743/
tells you it was a second class house, you can have a look at what it was built of etc.
Most homes did not have an name so it did have a degree of status, lower down the scale than nearby Rosetown House and perhaps belonging to Rosetown House at some earlier time which may be how it came to have an name.
Why do you think there was a tax default?

Have a read up about the Land War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_War
After tenants got the right to own land they didn't have the money to buy land so the Land Commission was set up to lend them the money, the land could be sold but the loan still had to be paid by who ever bought the land. £708 pounds in this case, which shows it was quite a expensive property.
You'll see the same Land Commission information printed on the 1921 sale as well, didn't have time to look at the others.





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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #85 on: Saturday 02 December 17 17:04 GMT (UK) »
T4Tim

I have sent an email with details - Rosetown Cottage still exists and the ordnance survey ireland site www.osi.ie is a good site to look at to see the old maps and new satellite images of the property.
It is very close to the army barracks of the Curragh (about 1 mile) which is logical for the family connections to the army
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #86 on: Saturday 02 December 17 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Sinann;
"Why do you think there was a tax default?"
1- It was at auction.
2- 708 pounds owed to the Irish Land Commission.


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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #87 on: Saturday 02 December 17 17:10 GMT (UK) »
myluck, thanks I will have a look after breakfast.  ;D
And, "Tim" is ok with me.

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #88 on: Saturday 02 December 17 17:29 GMT (UK) »
sinann;
Thanks for the explanation of the 708 pounds due.
We were typing at the same time.

Canada continues the British Common Law system and here, when a property is in tax arrears, it can be seized, auctioned and proceeds paid firstly to the jurisdiction (town, city etc.) where taxes are owed.

I thought perhaps that was the case there as well.

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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #89 on: Saturday 02 December 17 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Already gave links direct to house on OSI.
Just checking the map, and Rosetown Cottage is indeed in Greatconnell townland, right on the border with Rosetown townland.
Rosetown Cottage where the red + is, pink line is the border between the two townlands.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,682757,712999,10,7
and in this one you can see the name of the house
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,682757,712999,10,9