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Offline Dyingout

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:08 GMT (UK) »
I am convinced that 59-year-old Louis fathered a child by 19-year-old Lizzie, a son, whose birth was registered by Lizzie, as Louis CODLING. This registration was in the 4th Qtr of 1881 and took place in the Marylebone District of London.

Are you convinced or do you have the birth certificate of Louis?
i think this could be the clue to all of this.
Servants were often given Nicknames not their original name and as it's the older Louis giving details on the census he just thought of her as Lizzie.
The birth certificate should give you her real name.
Dow/Dowe Norfolk and Suffolk
Mulley/Wilden Suffolk
Loome/lombe Norfolk

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Has anyone looked at the Ann Elizabeth Codling birth reg Q4 1861 in Norwich (freeBMD has surname as Codlin). Mother's mn Sheppard. Parents Robert and Ann. I can find family in 1861 (minus Ann Elizabeth because she wasn't born till a few months later).

Piece number 1211 Folio 38 Page number 31
Robert is a fishmonger. youngest daughter Maria is 10/12 i.e 10 months not 10 years as on some transcriptions. Can't find family in 1871, can find some children in 1881 but not parents.

I think Ann Elizabeth Codling married William Simms Jefferson in Scarborough, 20 Aug 1883.

Suggested 1871 for her as Elizabeth Codling, 9 b Norwich, in Beverley (Robert having had a job change to spring fitter): RG10/4769/67/20.  Robert's wife Ann may have died in Norwich in 1865; his remarriage to Sarah Ann Porrett was 1868 Norwich.

Importantly I have not traced this Elizabeth in 1881 so she could still be "Lizzie", a decent fit other than the Norfolk/Suffolk thing (but that in itself may be understandable if she moved away from her birthplace at an early age, or her employer in 1881 made an error in completing the return).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Robert's in Beverley in 1881 as a fishmonger again
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Robert was a Smith on his marriage to Ann Sheppard - I mean occupation not different surname. So he could be quite versatile.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:44 GMT (UK) »
daughter Maria(h) is a servant in Beverley in 1871.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:49 GMT (UK) »
other daughter Sarah Ann is a boarder in Scarborough in 1881. But did Ann Elizabeth aka Elizabeth become Lizzie, go to London, have an illegitimate child, leave him in London with Charlotte Nutkins, go to Scarborough where she had a sister and marry there in 1883.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 25 November 17 12:30 GMT (UK) »
William Simms Jefferson and Ann Elizabeth emigrated to the US a few months after their 1883 marriage, arriving in New York on 28 March 1884, and eventually settled in Massachusetts.  They had three children, Charles Edward (1884), Mamie (1887; died in infancy) and Alice (1894).

In US documents she used the following names:

1884: Elizabeth Jefferson (immigration)
1900: Ann E. Jefferson (census)
1910: Elizabeth Jefferson (census)
1920: Elizabeth A. Jefferson (census)
1930: Ann E. Jefferson (census)

It looks quite possible that she was mostly known as Elizabeth, rather than Ann, during her life.  She was buried as Ann E. Jefferson in 1937: www.findagrave.com/memorial/61908498
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 25 November 17 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Just a note on the 23 Dec 1901 Marylebone marriage of Louis Benoit to Maude Catherine Roy.

Louis' father is said to be Louis Benoit (deceased), butler.  Witnesses were William Arthur Nutkins and Hettie Roy.

The parish register is annotated with a correction to the bridegroom's name made on 3 Feb 1909:

'Col 2 for "Louis Benoit" read "Louis Benoit otherwise Codling or Nutkins".' 

The correction was made 'in the presence of H Nutkins and Maude Catherine Nutkins the parties married'.

Two of their children - Gladys Maud (1908) and Harold John (1904) were registered as Benoit but later additions made to birth index with both surnames Codling and Nutkins. The additions have an A on the end, for Harold the number is the same as original reference, for Gladys it is slightly different. A later child Elsie Blanche (1910) is only registered as Nutkins. This seems to correspond with deciding to make name change official around 1909
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: On the trail of Lizzie CODLING, probably from Wangford District
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 25 November 17 14:13 GMT (UK) »
I am convinced that 59-year-old Louis fathered a child by 19-year-old Lizzie, a son, whose birth was registered by Lizzie, as Louis CODLING. This registration was in the 4th Qtr of 1881 and took place in the Marylebone District of London.

Are you convinced or do you have the birth certificate of Louis?

I don't have the birth certificate, but maybe that might have to be done.

What convinced me that the older Louis was the father, as mentioned further back in the thread, is that on the younger Louis's marriage registration document in 1901, he gives his father as Louis Benoit (Deceased). The older Louis died in the 1st Qtr of 1901, the marriage took place in the 4th Qtr of the same year.

I will have to give serious thought to getting the certificate if I can't make progress.

Regards,

Alan
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