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Offline chris_49

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 26 November 17 13:37 GMT (UK) »
This happened with one of my direct ancestors cousins.  They married, had a few babies, large gaps in between and none of them survived past 3 mon :(.  I suspect that the close relationship of the parents had something to do with it.

So sad -  it might have been a factor. However I have families where the parents were almost certainly unrelated who still lost all their babies - a C19th reality.
 
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 26 November 17 15:46 GMT (UK) »

So these are cousins who have FOUR grandparents in common instead of the usual two as in most cousin marriages? Then they marry? Any child of theirs would have just those four great-grandparents instead of the usual eight?

You don't say if the double-cousins marrying had any children,

Hi Chris

Yes, the two cousins shared the same 4 grandparents, and they had children, making only four great-grandparents instead of the normal eight.

It took me a little while to head my head round it, thought I was going daft at first  :D
Nash, Whittingham - Wolverhampton
Nash, Whittingham, Pardoe, Cartwright - Worcs
Osbaldeston, Kay, Wyles, - Preston, Lancs
Dippnall, Poulton, Burton, Dawes - Manchester/Salford
McPoland, Tildesley, Iveson, Fox - Lancashire North Of The Sands
Wild, - Claughton, Lancashire
Kay, - Longridge, Chipping, Ribchester

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 26 November 17 15:50 GMT (UK) »
I've just had a look at the 1911 census and the double cousins had eight children of which four survived
Nash, Whittingham - Wolverhampton
Nash, Whittingham, Pardoe, Cartwright - Worcs
Osbaldeston, Kay, Wyles, - Preston, Lancs
Dippnall, Poulton, Burton, Dawes - Manchester/Salford
McPoland, Tildesley, Iveson, Fox - Lancashire North Of The Sands
Wild, - Claughton, Lancashire
Kay, - Longridge, Chipping, Ribchester

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 November 17 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Wow. In his autobiography Richard Dawkins tells of a double cousin - and says they have as many genes in common as would half-brothers - and he should know! You wouldn't be allowed to marry your half-sibling!

So you don't know this family - but any record of how the four survivors got on - did they marry, were they on the 1939 doing a job, etc? No disability listed in 1911 I gather?
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 26 November 17 16:16 GMT (UK) »
Wow. In his autobiography Richard Dawkins tells of a double cousin - and says they have as many genes in common as would half-brothers - and he should know! You wouldn't be allowed to marry your half-sibling!

So you don't know this family - but any record of how the four survivors got on - did they marry, were they on the 1939 doing a job, etc? No disability listed in 1911 I gather?

According to the list of forbidden marriages it is legal to marry your double cousin

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 November 17 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Wow. In his autobiography Richard Dawkins tells of a double cousin - and says they have as many genes in common as would half-brothers - and he should know! You wouldn't be allowed to marry your half-sibling!

So you don't know this family - but any record of how the four survivors got on - did they marry, were they on the 1939 doing a job, etc? No disability listed in 1911 I gather?

According to the list of forbidden marriages it is legal to marry your double cousin

Yes I know - it would be difficult to enforce if it weren't - but it's slightly scary that you share as many genes as you would with a half-sibling.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 30 November 17 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Has anyone come across this before? I have a pair of double cousins who marry each other, a brother & sister of one family marry a brother & sister from another, then a child from each pair marry. It did 'arf confuse me at first.  I was just wondering how common it was as it is the first time I've seen this
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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 November 17 17:47 GMT (UK) »
I have 3 brothers who married 3 sisters in Suffolk.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
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Re: "Double Cousins" Who Marry Each Other
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 30 November 17 19:06 GMT (UK) »
I have 3 brothers who married 3 sisters in Suffolk.

Yes - but did any of their "double cousin" offspring marry each other? That's what this thread is about.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)