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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 13 January 18 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Article in The Scotsman newspaper 8 Sept 1887 refers to bankruptcy of Messrs E and E Albert and F E Hauptman of Albert Street Edinburgh ,also of Wharf Road, Notting Hill, Flood Street, Chelsea and elsewhere trading as "Hauptman, Albert & Co". The bankrupt Hauptman filed his own petition, the two Alberts having absconded...It appeared that Hauptman and the two Alberts joined Mr Ignay Hauptman in partnership in Edinburgh in 1883...they each brought 50 into the business.

Further article 28 September refers to proceedings in the London Bankruptcy Court "... in January of this year,on the expiry of the lease of their premises they removed to London ....because they thought that city would be better for the conduct of their business than Edinburgh". The article again shows that Mr Hauptman, but not his partners, was in attendance.

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 January 18 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Ahh...trouble afoot therefore explaining possibly Franz's disapperance around this time.

Great find, William  :)

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 January 18 19:51 GMT (UK) »
William, with your lead on the London Gazette, there are a number of notices for the Hauptmans over more that 20 yrs.

Bev, this is the link for you to search www.thegazette.co.uk  Just add the surname hauptman in the search box on the left to see results.

Sadly, I cannot see anything to help you with Franz's death details so far... :-\ Hopefully someone will be able to find something.

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 January 18 20:12 GMT (UK) »
A transcription of the 1881 census shows Bethia, Elizabeth, Wilhemina, Annie and Theresia as adopted daughters.

Wilhemina (Neil) died 1954 and is buried in Rosebank Cemetry in Edinburgh along with brother Francis Hauptman d 1941. (Rosebank Cemetry is in the Pilrig area of Edinburgh, not far from where the factory would have been).

Looking at your link to the London Gazette, Monica it may have been the above named Francis (ie the son of Franz) who went bankrupt - all the 1887 notices seem to refer to Francis not Franz - newspaper articles referred to previously only give initials, F E.

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 January 18 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth is showing as married in the 1891 census but as a widow in 1901. To narrow it down further the 1895 valuation roll would appear to show her as a widow in Alloa.

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 January 18 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Millmoor
I have most of that information - Franz and his brother Ignaz set up the business or maybe Ignaz set it up and Franz joined him. Franz was on the 1861 census of Edinburgh, not on the 1871 as he had gone back to Wolfersdorf, Bohemia.  My g/mother was born there as well as two other children, then they came back to Edinburgh and are on the 1881 census. Alien Arrivals shows Ignaz arriving in Hull, England 15 Aug 1846 from Hamburg, Germany - Franz shown as arriving at London, 5 Nov,1847 from Germany. On 1891 marriage of one of his daughters he is shown as glass works manager, on another daughter's marriage in 1893 he is shown as glass merchant - deceased. If these dates are corrrect then we could assume he died between 1891 and 1893
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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 January 18 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Who asked me about Bethia Hauptman ?  She was an adopted child - she died in1885 at age 19 from peritonitis - signed by Elizabeth Hauptman - foster mother, so guess she wasn't adopted

Also some one mentioned about some of the children being adopted - actually they were the ones born in Bohemia - my g/mother one of them and I have the birth certificates from Bohemia

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 January 18 11:34 GMT (UK) »
This is confusing since Ignatz Hauptman died on 17 Mar 1887 and his estate was probated in June 1887 leaving everything to his wife


Article in The Scotsman newspaper 8 Sept 1887 refers to bankruptcy of Messrs E and E Albert and F E Hauptman of Albert Street Edinburgh ,also of Wharf Road, Notting Hill, Flood Street, Chelsea and elsewhere trading as "Hauptman, Albert & Co". The bankrupt Hauptman filed his own petition, the two Alberts having absconded...It appeared that Hauptman and the two Alberts joined Mr Ignay Hauptman in partnership in Edinburgh in 1883...they each brought 50 into the business.

Further article 28 September refers to proceedings in the London Bankruptcy Court "... in January of this year,on the expiry of the lease of their premises they removed to London ....because they thought that city would be better for the conduct of their business than Edinburgh". The article again shows that Mr Hauptman, but not his partners, was in attendance.

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Re: Hauptman
« Reply #17 on: Monday 15 January 18 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Just to say that there are quite  a few notices about the bankruptcy in the newspaper archive if you search the name Hauptman in the year 1887.

The Alberts did not abscond until 2nd July 1887 - this is after the confirmation of Ignatz's will.

The Scotsman does have this ad 29 June 1887 " Premises,Shrub Vale, Leith Walk, lately occupied by Messrs Hauptman, Albert & Co: entry immediate". And this from 14 May "Boiler, tubular, 12 ft long, 1/2 ft diameter; also 6 H-P engine, perfect order. Hauptman, Albert and Co., Leith Walk.

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