Rosenthal / Emanuel families of Bormingham and Manchester

[BrendaLee]

Looking for any information about Michael Emanuel and Joseph Rosenthal - my 2 Great Frandafthers.  Michael Emanuel was a jeweller in Birmingham having moved from Prussia and Joseph Rosenthal (also from Prussia) amrried Michaels daughter Frances manuel.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

Is this the marriage you mean
June qtr 1852 
Asher    Rebecca       
Emanuel    Clara       
Green    Solomon Levy       
Rosenthal    Joseph       
Birmingham    6d   257

[heywood]

Hello and welcome 

This might be the family which Rosie found

1851 2053/419/30

98 Smallbrook Street Birmingham

Michael Emanuel 52 yrs pawnbroker
Francis Emanuel   42 yrs
Clara Emanuel   20 yrs
Charles Alfred Emanuel 17 yrs
Mary Emanuel 16 yrs
Leah Emanuel   14 yrs
Elias Emanuel 12 yrs
Matilda Emanuel 19 yrs
Emanuel Emanuel 8 yrs
Abraha Alfred Emanuel 8 months
Catherine Loughman   servant 20 yrs

Heywood

[heywood]

1861 2955/27/49

58 Swan Street Manchester

Joseph Rosenthal 55 yrs wholesale jewellers
Clara Rosenthal   29 yrs
Morris Rosenthal 7 yrs
Adelheid Rosenthal   6 yrs
Henry Jacob Rosenthal 2 yrs
Mathilda Emanuel visitor 19 yrs
Henry Mayer servant 45 yrs
Mary Hanny servant 28 yrs
Frances Mercer   servant 22 yrs

[heywood]

If those are your families, what information are you looking for?

[BrendaLee]

Thank you so much for the welcome - yes the 2 families you list are correct Heywood; Michael Emanuel and Joseph Rosenthal are my Great Great Grandfathers.  I am trying to find some details about the family jewellery business and if anyone knows details of descendants of Josephs children - his son Morris was my Great Grandfather. Morris and his wife divorced leaving my Grandfather (Victor Rosenthal) and his mother and siblings in poverty - I know nothing about any of my Grandfathers siblings.  Any help would be so appreciated.

[heywood]

You may know of these sites which are helpful.

https://www.familysearch.org  You need to sign in but it is free.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk  Firm births, marriages, deaths index.

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk  As above but Lancashire

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/  You need to sign in but it is free. You can check births index with mother’s name up to 1915.

I haven’t got access to Find My Past but there is a newspaper section. I can see on the free search that Clara is mentioned in 1892 in a bankruptcy case I think.
There are some references to Joseph too.

You could look there too.

[heywood]

Having said that about Clara, there is a probate notice for Joseph in February 1883.
Address Fern Acre House, Cheetham Hill Road. Probate granted to Clara - estate £15, 000 plus.

[BrendaLee]

Thank you SO much - I will delve into the sites you have listed.