look up 1861

[geoff3d]

Parents were Noah Davis and Eliza Woodall sorry for confusion

[AMBLY]

So to clarify, in 1861 you are looking for the son registered as Noah PAYNE b 1851? Is that right?

Still struggling to understand where DAVIS come into it or why?

Here's the family in 1851 before son Noah born
1851: Dudley
HO107/Piece: 2033/ Folio: 222/ Pg 16
Noah PAINS 39
Wife: Eliza PAINS 36
Son: Jas. 18
Son: Thos. 15
Dau: Jane 13
Dau: Maria 11
Son: Josh 7
Dau: Olive 5
Dau: Caroline 3

Note: No Sylvia (b 1845) and no Charlotte (b 1847)


On your list of issue in your signature you have:
Caroline 1848 Australia
Charlotte b 1850. Australia

Do you have definitively have Caroline in Australia at some point - as well as Charlotte?
Also, you have Charlotte b 1850 - yet her birth registration appears to be 1847.

I think:
Olive (5) in 1851 is really Sylvia b 1845
Caroline (3)  in 1851 is really Charlotte b 1847
Possibly enumerator's error in reading names on the House Schedule or mis-hearing names spoken.

I also wonder if, in 1861:
Noah was there, but the enumerator has fudged up the copying over of the lists of names & ages to the Enumerator Book  - so:  Charlotte , who was 13  (nearly 14) has been given Noah's age of 10 (actually 9 nearly 10) - and as a result, his name and her age are missing.

Just a theory….

Cheers
AMBLY

[geoff3d]

Thanks yes both sisters emigrated together and Charlotte has been traced
This is the only entry as Pains, but births marriages were sometimes PAYNE or Penn
Olive married as Sylvia
1851 Census
St Johns Road, Dudley, Staffordshire,
Noah   Pains   Head   Married 38   Puddler b Dudley, Worcestershire
Eliza Pains   Wife   Married 36   b Dudley, Worcestershire
Jas Pains Son Unmarried18  Puddler   b Dudley, Worcestershire
Thomas Pains Son Unmarried 15 Puddler b   Dudley, Worcestershire
Jane   Pains   Daughter13   At Home b Dudley, Worcestershire
Maria   Pains   Daughter 11 At Home b   Dudley, Worcestershire   
Josh Pains   Son 7    At Home b Dudley, Worcestershire
Olive  Pains   Daughter 5   1846   At Home b   Dudley, Worcestershire
Caroline Pains Daughter   3 At Home   b Dudley, Worcestershire

[geoff3d]

Not with them as in England in 1871 and it is 1861 I am looking for

Emigrated to Australia Tasmania
the Star Queen 12 June 1872
Domestic Servants Caroline 20 Charlotte 18