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1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:16 GMT (UK) »
I have hit a brick wall tracing the parents of Alfred John Lloyd, born 1849/1850 in Coalport, and think that he might have been the illegitimate son of Susannah Lloyd. His marriage certificate might reveal the name of his father. I would be grateful to hear if anyone might have access to his marriage certificate.
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi the marriage 29th May 1871 gives his father as Alfred BA?NALL occ Labourer
Alfred John Lloyd was a Chair Maker
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi the marriage 29th May 1871 gives his father as Alfred BA?NALL occ Labourer
Alfred John Lloyd was a Chair Maker
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Alfred Bagnall

Susannah Louisa Lloyd married Alfred Bagnall in 23 June 1851, Madeley

On the1851 Alfred was age 2, living in his grandfather's household, therefore Alfred Bagnall could be his step father.

Have you found Alfred Lloyds' birth record?

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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 18:45 GMT (UK) »
 :) The reason I put the ? in name is that it looked possibly to be a "Y" and an Alfred Baynall b c 1829 occ Labourer is a visitor with a Roberts family in Coalport in 1851 census?
Census ref HO107/1989/244/55
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 19:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, in 1861 census Alfred J Bagnall aged 12 with other siblings, parents Alfred 26 and Susannah L 34 residing at 4, Indine Road, Madeley
Census ref RG09/1858/58/42
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi in 1871 Alfred Bagnall 21 occ Chair Maker b Coalport is with his married mother Susannah and siblings in Madeley
Census ref RG10/2756/24/44

His father Alfred Bagnall married aged 42 occ Railway Labourer is a boarder in Llandovery, Carmarthenshire
Census ref RG10/5478/32/11

EDIT the 23rd June 1851 marriage was:-
Alfred Cornelius Bagnal Full age occ Blacksmith Father Cornelius Griifiths occ Boat Builder
Susannah Louisa Lloyd Full age Father John Owen Lloyd occ Waterman
Marriage Dawley Magna, both resident Dawley
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 20:27 GMT (UK) »
I would suggest if the 1861 census is recording that father Alfred is 26 and son Alfred John Bagnall is 12 then it is unlikely that Alfred fathered him at 14 - although not impossible!

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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 20:31 GMT (UK) »
I would suggest if the 1861 census is recording that father Alfred is 26 and son Alfred John Bagnall is 12 then it is unlikely that Alfred fathered him at 14 - although not impossible!

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 :) I would suggest age is wrong in 1861 but 1851 and 1871 about right?

An Alfred Bagnall was baptised 27th Sept 1829 Madeley Mother Ann shown as Illegitimate.

Susanna Louisa Bagnall was buried 12th February 1883 Madeley aged 55 address Madeley Wood.

Their is a daughter Susannah Elizabeth Bishop Bagnall b Sept qtr 1870 Madeley mmn Lloyd with parents Alfred 58 and Susannah 54  and Grandchildren Frederick 8 and Lora ( Laura ) aged 1 in 1881 Madeley
Census ref RG11/2638/79/14

Alfred 62 Susan 20 Laura 12 and Fred 17 are at Iron Bridge, Madeley in 1891 census ref RG12/2099/79/14

In 1901 census Alfred uses the middle initial  "C" aged 72 with his two Grandchldren Frederick & Laura
Census ref RG13/2526/66/13

And he is still alive aged 82 with Lloyd relatives in 1911
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Re: 1871 Marriage in Benthall of Alfred John Lloyd and Hannah Fletcher
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 February 18 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, I do hope I have followed the correct Alfred C Bagnall, as the one in 1911 lived at 11, Hillside, Iron Bridge and died 9th March 1919 occ Retired Platelayer  Probate Shrewsbury 1st April to Joseph William White occ Officer in His Majesty's Army RAMC Effects 256 17s 8d, and the "Grandchildren" in 1911 do not appear to be those of Alfred Lloyd b c 1849 and Hannah, and why does his yob show as c 1829 after death of Susannah?.
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